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Tony Romo wins a championship

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I did the math and it actually dropped him 2 pts

Are you done running in circles. Or do you have stats that actually hold substance or an actual valid argument to work with yet? You're just going right back to confirming Eli is the better QB........



Don't feel bad Romo does have a championship in amateur golf :noidea:
 

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Are you done running in circles. Or do you have stats that actually hold substance or an actual valid argument to work with yet? You're just going right back to confirming Eli is the better QB........



Don't feel bad Romo does have a championship in amateur golf :noidea:

Oblivious.

You do realize you dismiss passer rating because you don't understand it, right? Just wondering if you realized how oblivious you are.
 

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Oblivious.

You do realize you dismiss passer rating because you don't understand it, right? Just wondering if you realized how oblivious you are.
And you are incorrect again I dismiss passer rating because of the variables. Which you already confirmed. As per you

You can not compare passer rating with QB's in other Eras

You stated McNabb was a better QB than Pennington. Although by your passer rating standards Pennington would be the better QB by quite a bit...Which is a direct contradiction of your Romo stance

But you also said Tebow was a better QB than Kaep. Even tho Kaep has a massive differential in PR. Ya tried to dismiss it but that contradicts your era stance.....

We also established career longevity, Personnel, offensive systems, as well as several other variables. Have a direct effect on passer ratings.

Now had you paid attention to the stats I posted especially the play off break down. You would see stats that actually give a far stronger comparison of career. The details are in those stats. Including why Romo never won a championship. He was his own worst enemy. And would up costing his team more than leading them.

While on the other side not only does Eli hold the more impressive stats. He also lead his team. Especially in the play offs he was clutch. Also kinda why he has those two rings and MVP awards ......

You should really just stay down. The running in circles and uneducated "oblivious" type responses. When you are provided stats and facts.Are really just making you look foolish.

I never liked the Giants actually prefer the Cowboys if I had to pick between the two. but to say Eli is not a better QB than Romo based on their careers is asinine
 

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You can not compare passer rating with QB's in other Eras

Yes. And Romo and Eli were contemporaries, so this argument is irrelevant.

You stated McNabb was a better QB than Pennington.

Yes. because he was more durable. Thanks for letting me know you didn't actually read my post.

But you also said Tebow was a better QB than Kaep.

That's because I'm a homer. Had nothing to do with who is actually a better QB. And as both had relatively short, mediocre careers, it doesn't really matter which one was better.

Ya tried to dismiss it but that contradicts your era stance.....

Kaep and Tebow played in the same era, dullard.

:L

We also established career longevity,

Has absolutely zero to do with passer rating.

Personnel

Zero to do with passer rating.

offensive systems

Again, zero to do with passer rating.

as well as several other variables. Have a direct effect on passer ratings.

:laugh3:

Thank you for proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have zero idea of what a passer rating is. The only thing that matters in a passer rating is yards, comp %, TDs, and INTs.

Literally nothing else you mentioned is a factor in a QB's passer rating.

Oblivious.

You would see stats that actually give a far stronger comparison of career.

Clearly oblivious.

If it shows how Manning's career is, I guess Manning has only played 2 seasons in the NFL, because he's only won in 2 postseasons. Keep up the ignorance.

Eli hold the more impressive stats.

Obviously false.

Obviously oblivious.

Especially in the play offs he was clutch.

You obviously missed it when he lost. Because when the Giants lost, it was because Eli sucked. In the clutch.

MVP awards


An MVP award in a single game does not mean a thing. It means he played good in one game. Great. Lots of QBs have one great game. Doesn't mean their great QBs.

to say Eli is not a better QB than Romo based on their careers is asinine

To say Eli is a better QB than 99% of the QBs of this era is to ignore the stats. Eli is one of the worst QBs in the NFL and it should be obvious to anyone that watches football.

Still enjoying watching you flounder. Keep it up.
 

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Yes. And Romo and Eli were contemporaries, so this argument is irrelevant.



Yes. because he was more durable. Thanks for letting me know you didn't actually read my post.



That's because I'm a homer. Had nothing to do with who is actually a better QB. And as both had relatively short, mediocre careers, it doesn't really matter which one was better.



Kaep and Tebow played in the same era, dullard.

:L



Has absolutely zero to do with passer rating.



Zero to do with passer rating.



Again, zero to do with passer rating.



:laugh3:

Thank you for proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have zero idea of what a passer rating is. The only thing that matters in a passer rating is yards, comp %, TDs, and INTs.

Literally nothing else you mentioned is a factor in a QBs passer rating.

Oblivious.



Clearly oblivious.

If it shows how Manning's career is, I guess Manning has only played 2 seasons in the NFL, because he's only won in 2 postseasons. Keep up the ignorance.



Obviously false.

Obviously oblivious.



You obviously missed it when he lost. Because when the Giants lost, it was because Eli sucked. In the clutch.




AN MVP award in a single game does not mean a thing. It means he played good in one game. Great. Lots of QBs have one great game. Doesn't mean their great QBs.



To say Eli is a better QB than 99% of the QBs of this era is to ignore the stats. Eli is one of the worst QBs in the NFL and it should be obvious to anyone that watches football.

Still enjoying watching you flounder. Keep it up.
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Your trying way to hard to justify it. And have been either contradicting yourself,making excuses or avoiding facts all thread long.......
 

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Admitting obliviousness is the first step toward truly educating yourself. Way to go, bud.

Soon you will realize Eli is one of the worst QBs in the modern NFL.

Soon.
I’ll go through it in a sec and break it down for you. Otherwise I’m going to have to simplify it for you maybe pictures :L
 

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Yes. And Romo and Eli were contemporaries, so this argument is irrelevant.

Using the word contemporaries is confirming you can not compare passer rating by era....

Yes. because he was more durable. Thanks for letting me know you didn't actually read my post.

This is a direct contradiction that Eli's level of play in high pressure games and other aspects of his game. Play a bigger role in the comparison than relying solely on passer rating

That's because I'm a homer. Had nothing to do with who is actually a better QB. And as both had relatively short, mediocre careers, it doesn't really matter which one was better.

I already know you're a homer this has been established a long time ago. And you're being a homer with Romo as well. That was the point of that example....

Kaep and Tebow played in the same era, dullard.

:L



Has absolutely zero to do with passer rating.



Zero to do with passer rating.



Again, zero to do with passer rating.

Again this disproves your contemporaries stance.....They played in the same era yet you chose Tebow and showed you use Bias when comparing players....

:laugh3:

Thank you for proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have zero idea of what a passer rating is. The only thing that matters in a passer rating is yards, comp %, TDs, and INTs.

Literally nothing else you mentioned is a factor in a QB's passer rating.

Oblivious.

This may be difficult for you to understand but pass attempts play a role in completion percent. When a QB plays more games he throws more passes. That holds a direct effect on completion percent on probabilities alone. When a player plays in an offensive system that throw more same concept. If the offensive system is based on short passes completion percent rises.

When a QB has a better Offensive line, a HOF WR Owens,Witten,Dez etc....That will raise completion percent as well. But you would have to understand how systems work in order to understand that. Eli had a lot less to work with yet found success. Much more impressive. Than a stat riddled with variables


Clearly oblivious.

If it shows how Manning's career is, I guess Manning has only played 2 seasons in the NFL, because he's only won in 2 postseasons. Keep up the ignorance.



Obviously false.

Obviously oblivious.

If you took the time to read the play off stats of both QBs. You would see manning did not just come up big for the Giants in both super bowls. But he was clutch in all their play off games leading to their championships.

Where Romo was sloppy. Had more fumbles in the play offs than games played. If you watch the games or even just read the summaries he couldn't finish drives or carry momentum. And thats not even getting into the plays that directly caused dallas to be eliminated. Botched snap etc.....


You obviously missed it when he lost. Because when the Giants lost, it was because Eli sucked. In the clutch.


Again refer to the actual play off stats and summaries. His worst game was against the Eagles team. That picked Romo and Dallas apart 44-3. Winning the last play off spot while eliminating Dallas

An MVP award in a single game does not mean a thing. It means he played good in one game. Great. Lots of QBs have one great game. Doesn't mean their great QBs.

2 MVP awards following 2 Super Bowl victories. Where Eli was clutch. Again Romo didnt accomplish anything of significance

To say Eli is a better QB than 99% of the QBs of this era is to ignore the stats. Eli is one of the worst QBs in the NFL and it should be obvious to anyone that watches football.

Still enjoying watching you flounder. Keep it up.

I corrected it for you. would you like to provide actual stats now. Or are you going to go back to more "word salad". And confirm Eli was the better QB?
 

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I corrected it for you. would you like to provide actual stats now. Or are you going to go back to more "word salad". And confirm Eli was the better QB?

So you don't know how passer rating works, you don't know what an era is, and you don't know what the word contemporaries means.

Why do you continue to remain so oblivious?
 

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So you don't know how passer rating works,
I know how passer rating works. Pass Attempts and Completions are part of the formula. And this is where you don't seem to understand how big of an effect variables hold on passer rating. Longevity,Personnel, offensive schemes as well as other outside factors. Have a direct effect on Passer Rating....

you don't know what an era is, and you don't know what the word contemporaries means.

I also know what a contemporary is basically same age bracket. Basically saying they played in the same Era. While using a word that lightens the blow. I could say Passer rating doesn't work because you cant compare players of different eras because they aren't contemporaries. But I prefer to cut to the chase and say eras. Because the difference styles of play within eras effect......Passer rating
Why do you continue to remain so oblivious?
Look I'm not trying to be a dick. I get that you are either a Romo homer or just really hate Eli for whatever reason.Hell I never liked the Giants because I have to deal with their fans when they win.Passer rating doesn't work as a solid direct comparison because of variables. Which Im not sure you understand. Dont take that as an insult not everyone gets variables or systems. But using logic and fact.without bias factoring in. Eli is the better QB.
 

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Look I'm not trying to be a dick. I get that you are either a Romo homer or just really hate Eli for whatever reason.Hell I never liked the Giants because I have to deal with their fans when they win.Passer rating doesn't work as a solid direct comparison because of variables. Which Im not sure you understand. Dont take that as an insult not everyone gets variables or systems. But using logic and fact.without bias factoring in. Eli is the better QB.

Also doesn't know what the phrase "direct effect" means.

And contemporary has nothing to do with age.

Oblivious.
 

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Also doesn't know what the phrase "direct effect" means.

And contemporary has nothing to do with age.

Oblivious.
Thats the definition of contemporary. Especially in this scenario perhaps you are using the word out of context.....

Having a HOF WR and a future HOF TE has a direct effect on completions. Eli never had a TO, Witten etc....Hes also played more games so you're already working off an unloved playing field. There are so many variables your not accounting for.. Whites why Passer rating does not determine better player. And where resume comes in. Ya kinda have to look at the entire picture when making an actual assessment. I don't know why you hate Eli. I actually have more reason to I live in NY. And well Giants fans can be straight up annoying AF when they win. But I gotta put bias aside and give Eli his dues based on stats and resume here. Unless you have something stronger than PR or redirections.Which I was hoping you would be able to provide its Eli
 

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I don't know why you hate Eli.

Because he is mediocre. He is one of the worst QBs in the modern NFL. An argument could be made that he is the worst passer.

The only reason I compare him to Romo is that Romo is significantly better than Eli, but the whole exercise could be used with any contemporary of Eli's that has started more than a couple seasons.

His two SBs are literally the only thing keeping most people from calling him garbage. He's Trevor Siemian with one more ring. He's nothing special. He's been inefficient, ineffective, and underwhelming for the vast majority of his career.
 

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And it's not that I hate Eli. I just hate how much undue praise he receives, simply because he won two Super Bowls in an otherwise mediocre career and because his name is Manning.
 

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Because he is mdiocre. He is one of the worst QBs in the modern NFL. An argument could be made that he is the worst passer.

The only reason I compare him to Romo is that Romo is significantly better than Eli, but the whole exercise could be used with any contemporary of Eli's that has started more than a couple seasons.

His two SBs are literally the only thing keeping most people calling him garbage. He's Trevor Siemian with one more ring. He's nothing special. He's been inefficient, ineffective, and underwhelming for the vast majority of his career.
I wouldnt call Eli Mediocre by that standard Romo would be mediocre based on their comparison. Not even close to Siemian. You're stretching now.......Great example of how you attempt to word things to fit your agenda. Rather than just provide actual facts, Seimien won a super bowl ring as a back up. Eli won 2 Super Bowls as a starter and was named MVP twice. Big difference when you're trying to manipulate words to make an argument. Rather than using factual data. You know you have no argument. Eli is better than Romo


Kinda funny actually since Seimiens ring was on the coat tails of elis big brother en sech
 

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And it's not that I hate Eli. I just hate how much undue praise he receives, simply because he won two Super Bowls in an otherwise mediocre career and because his name is Manning.
Again read those play off stats and summaries I posted. I think you'll find he earned the praise. Whether either of us like him or not. If Eli wasn't clutch they wouldnt have made it to or won those super bowls. Sorry like him or not I believe in giving credit when its due
 

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Again read those play off stats and summaries I posted. I think you'll find he earned the praise. Whether either of us like him or not. If Eli wasn't clutch they wouldnt have made it to or won those super bowls. Sorry like him or not I believe in giving credit when its due

Oblivious.

Don't give me single game stats to try and convince me a mediocre QB isn't mediocre. It just further proves how oblivious you are.
 

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Oblivious.

Don't give me single game stats to try and convince me a mediocre QB isn't mediocre. It just further proves how oblivious you are.
And this is where yo are wrong again. Why are you looking at them as single game stats when they actually form a whole? And for future reference word play may work for you in the PF. But it does not work with me. Seamen was the worst example you could have chose. It seems like you just hate Eli. But we've also established you aren't beyond disregarding the over inflated stat you are relying on. Based on a homer position. Perhaps You're just being a Romo homer. And thats why you're ignoring facts and speaking in half truths :noidea:
 
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