Dynasty draft

HaroldSeattle · Jul 21, 2018

ehb5 said:
It's pretty unlikely honestly. Eli looks barely competent when he HAS obj to throw to. Without him he's a complete disaster. I think it's more or at least as likely that OBJs QB situation improves in the near future than gets worse.

Think of the list of Browns QBs, it's really not that easy to land a good QB.

TKOSpikes · Jul 21, 2018

ehb5 said:
WAS good*

OBJ saved his career.

On a seperate but related note Eli is super overrated over his entire career but I'll agree he was solid in his prime.

Well, I won't argue about Beckham making any QB better, a la Hopkins.

ehb5 · Jul 21, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
Think of the list of Browns QBs, it's really not that easy to land a good QB.

We arent as bad as the browns but trust me i know lol

TREFF · Jul 21, 2018

ehb5 said:
It is not revisionst history at all. TRich was on that level. He may have been a bit overshadowed by being in the same draft as luck and rg3 but he was considered a crazy good prospect. He was getting the best prospect since AP treatment just like those other guys. And considered the best prospect in that draft outside Luck and RG3. (Speaking of - RG3 is amother reminder of how badly great prospects can go wrong).

In all honesty i think Saquon and Gurley were the best 2 weve seen recently but Gurleys knee knocked him down, Trich was next, and Zeke after that. Zeke going to Dallas built the hype up a bit more.

No idea what your remembering. Richardson was often referred to in mist scouting profiles as "obr of the best to come out IN RECENT YEARS". The others your referring to were referred to as GENERATIONAL stars. Richardson drew comparisons to some nice, succseful backs, Zeke, Barkley, even Fournette were drawing comparisons to HOF caliber backs. Its very much revisionist history to say they were regarded on the same level. Perhaps a few guys here and there that you may have heard more loudly than the majority were saying those types of things, but the consensus was that he was the best prospect that given year, but not some game changing future HOF claims that did apply to Zeke and company

ehb5 · Jul 21, 2018

TREFF said:
No idea what your remembering. Richardson was often referred to in mist scouting profiles as "obr of the best to come out IN RECENT YEARS". The others your referring to were referred to as GENERATIONAL stars. Richardson drew comparisons to some nice, succseful backs, Zeke, Barkley, even Fournette were drawing comparisons to HOF caliber backs. Its very much revisionist history to say they were regarded on the same level. Perhaps a few guys here and there that you may have heard more loudly than the majority were saying those types of things, but the consensus was that he was the best prospect that given year, but not some game changing future HOF claims that did apply to Zeke and company

I beg to differ.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...rent-worth-a-topfive-pick-trent-richardson-is

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Trent Richardson

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/2...rdson-is-the-best-running-back-prospect-since

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-comparisons-to-adrian-peterson-are-warranted

The NFL people don't just like Richardson. They almost worship the ground upon which he walks. Negatives? What negatives? It's all prime cut when it comes to Richardson, far and away the best back available in the draft.

"Special player," said Howie Roseman, general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles. "He's got size, speed, vision, elusiveness, power, balance. I don't think there's a game you can watch where he doesn't have a 'wow' moment. He's a difference-maker."

"Hey, he could be a Hall of Famer," one scout said. "He doesn't fumble, he's fast, he can catch it and he's the best blocking back I've seen in about 10 years. "Hell of a kid. And he ain't getting past Cleveland or Tampa Bay, either. Those teams sit fourth and fifth in the first-round order.

McShay: How Saquon Barkley grades vs. elite running backs

And since this is what started it all - dont get me wrong - I think Saquon is a better prospect than any of these guys (Zeke, Fournette, Trich whoever) and is going to be an absolute stud in the NFL. And you wont find a bigger fan of him than me. But...the list of cant miss prospects who missed is pretty long. Until he proves it he's a lot riskier than players like Bell and DJ.

TREFF · Jul 21, 2018

well I remember an awful lot more comparisons to Larry Johnson, Shuan Alexander, Jamaal Lewis, Michael Turner, and Steve Jackson, then there ever was real hype of him being in the class of prospect that these dudes today are being clumped with, the Petersons, Sanders, Bo Jackson, LT, Faulk, and the like. Yes he was still hyped, and obviously very wrongly, but it simply wasn't at that kind of craziness level, at least not widely.

Now, people could just be getting more ridiculous today, and weren't AS bat shit crazy then.

eaglesnut · Jul 21, 2018

ehb5 said:
I mean... you can just wish it away all you want but its still true. Richardson was 100% an amazing prospect who was widely regarded as the next big thing... just like Zeke and Saquon.

So you were fooled.
I wasn't.

Zeke and Barkley are far above. I guess you'll have to see it first, but fantasy is about predicting correctly.

eaglesnut · Jul 21, 2018

ehb5 said:
Thats not how injury prone works...

If it is then every player in the NFL is considered injury prone.

Its a contact sport. When somebody slams into your planted ankle at high speed for the second time in a couple weeks you break your ankle. To suggest that is some kind of flaw in Beckham that that happened is insane.

He's missed multiple games in two seasons out of four so far.
50%.
Your interpretations don't matter here, all that matters is results in fantasy.

SteelersPride · Jul 21, 2018

eaglesnut said:
So you were fooled.
I wasn't.

Zeke and Barkley are far above. I guess you'll have to see it first, but fantasy is about predicting correctly.

your so smart

ehb5 · Jul 21, 2018

eaglesnut said:
So you were fooled.
I wasn't.

Zeke and Barkley are far above. I guess you'll have to see it first, but fantasy is about predicting correctly.

I never said what i thought of him. Ive never even owned him in fantasy.

But he was objectively an extremely highly touted prospect. If you want to make the mistake of thinking in absolutes where can't miss prospects don't miss then you do you.

ehb5 · Jul 21, 2018

eaglesnut said:
He's missed multiple games in two seasons out of four so far.
50%.
Your interpretations don't matter here, all that matters is results in fantasy.

Im not gonna bother explaining that more.

I will say though that if your knock on obj is fantasy results you are either very confused about fantasy football or playing in some wack ass scoring systems.

SmokingMonkey · Jul 21, 2018

We're talking about the guy with the best 3yr start to a WR career ever right?

Ok, I'll keep him in my top 5 for PPR dynasty

broncosmitty · Jul 21, 2018

ehb5 said:
I dont think Kamara and Barkley should touch anybodys top 5 unless we're putting rooting interests first

Correct

broncosmitty · Jul 21, 2018

OBJ
Gurley
David Johnson
Brown
Bell

SteelersPride · Jul 21, 2018

I think picking second is harder lol

HaroldSeattle · Jul 21, 2018

TREFF said:
well I remember an awful lot more comparisons to Larry Johnson, Shuan Alexander, Jamaal Lewis, Michael Turner, and Steve Jackson, then there ever was real hype of him being in the class of prospect that these dudes today are being clumped with, the Petersons, Sanders, Bo Jackson, LT, Faulk, and the like. Yes he was still hyped, and obviously very wrongly, but it simply wasn't at that kind of craziness level, at least not widely.

Now, people could just be getting more ridiculous today, and weren't AS bat shit crazy then.

I wasn’t really into FF back then, but seems to me that the hype got hot after his rookie season. I could be mistaken about that, because like I said I wasn’t into FF per say back then.

TREFF · Jul 22, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
I wasn’t really into FF back then, but seems to me that the hype got hot after his rookie season. I could be mistaken about that, because like I said I wasn’t into FF per say back then.

Yes it most definitely did. Including blinding the Colts. after those 11 scores a lot of people went bonkers. I remember our group having very long debates as to whether the move to the Colts as going to allow him to go totally apeshit, or if all he was was a sub 4 ypc opportunist. But I definitely don't recall anyone pining for him on draft day 2012, even though he was the RB6 per ADP. Bunch of big names after him were coming off injuries or bad seasons (AP, Charles, Forte, McFadden, etc.) Or he likely would've been pushed significantly further down. Definitely not like drafting Zeke top five his rookie year, or Fournette last year, or Barkley this year.

eaglesnut · Jul 22, 2018

ehb5 said:
Im not gonna bother explaining that more.

I will say though that if your knock on obj is fantasy results you are either very confused about fantasy football or playing in some wack ass scoring systems.

He's missed time in half of the years he's been in the league. That's substantial. Being hurt doesn't produce fantasy points. That isn't rocket science.

broncosmitty · Jul 22, 2018

eaglesnut said:
He's missed time in half of the years he's been in the league. That's substantial. Being hurt doesn't produce fantasy points. That isn't rocket science.

5,5, 4.

That's his ranking in WR scoring his first three seasons. The third season being his lowest total, when he didn't miss a game.

TREFF · Jul 22, 2018

broncosmitty said:
5,5, 4.

That's his ranking in WR scoring his first three seasons. The third season being his lowest total, when he didn't miss a game.

So he's better if he misses a couple games, cool

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