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Well,

If the year only play him 9 minutes a game, that is kind of a waste. He will play alongside Russ for stretches and I am with @wildturkey. Hate the fit.

This move was all about $ for OKC. I understand why they did it, but it does not make make them a better basketball team.

Getting Melo out absolutely makes them a better team, just no question. Thunder went 6-0 in a stretch where Melo was out and the offense looked much better without him. They don’t have to worry about getting him shots, good riddance.
 
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Getting Melo out absolutely makes them a better team, just no question. Thunder went 6-0 in a stretch where Melo was out and the offense looked much better without him. They don’t have to worry about getting him shots, good riddance.

I disagree.

Shroder can't shoot. Melo can. Neither helps defensively.

I know it didn't work last year, but defenses have to respect Melo off the ball. The more players like Shroder and Roberson you put on the floor, the harder it becomes for Russ to do his thing in half court offense.
 

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I agree that the trade wasn't that great for the Thunder. But not for the reasons listed. Schroder can play 6th man for a season and repair his image enough to be shipped off to another team. The reason the trade wasn't good for the Thunder is the 1st round draft pick in 2022. That draft will be loaded and the picks 1st and 2nd round will have more value than any other draft in the history of the league. Lottery protected makes no difference. Players that go late 1st would have been lottery any other year.

Yes, you are right about the pick.

Shroder isn't repairing his image enough to have actual trade value. That isn't happening. He averaged 17 and 6 last year and still had no value.

It isn't that he is a bad player, it is that he is making too much money given his skill set. He still has 3 years left.

Make no mistake, this was a very good trade for Atlanta.
 

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Agreed.

But, you have to factor in the contract and the fit when assessing value. Shroder may be a backup, but he is getting paid like a starter and he has a reputation for not being so great in the locker room. That is why nobody else wanted him.
I don't care how you spin it.

The fact they didn't have to stretch Melo is a win.

Schroder will be a good scorer off the bench for 24-25mpg. RW won't let him be a distraction.
 

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I think it's possible Schroder just needed a change of scenery.

A change of scenery isn't helpjng Melo. He always seems to have an issue eventually.
 

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We're already predicting the 2022 draft to be loaded?

LOL.
 

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I don't care how you spin it.

The fact they didn't have to stretch Melo is a win.

Schroder will be a good scorer off the bench for 24-25mpg. RW won't let him be a distraction.

15 million for each of the next 3 years.

I know they got cap savings this year, but this move was 100% about short term luxury tax savings. Presti has been widely criticized for making cost saving moves in the past.

Bottom line, whether OKC is better with Melo or Shroder, neither is making them good enough to beat the elite teams.
 

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I think it's possible Schroder just needed a change of scenery.

A change of scenery isn't helpjng Melo. He always seems to have an issue eventually.

So you think shroder, a ball dominant, scoring PG is going to be happy playing backup minutes behind the most Ball dominant PG of all time?

I will believe that when I see it.
 

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We're already predicting the 2022 draft to be loaded?

LOL.

Yes. It has nothing to do with which players will be in that draft. It's simply the draft will be the end of the one and done players and the first year of the straight from high school players. So there will be two draft classes in one draft. Pure common sense. Some people might not have it?
 

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15 million for each of the next 3 years.

I know they got cap savings this year, but this move was 100% about short term luxury tax savings. Presti has been widely criticized for making cost saving moves in the past.

Bottom line, whether OKC is better with Melo or Shroder, neither is making them good enough to beat the elite teams.


It saves money this season but will cost them the next two if he stays. If they don't through some miracle win the title this season or trade Schroder then it's a horrible trade for OKC.
 

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15 million for each of the next 3 years.

I know they got cap savings this year, but this move was 100% about short term luxury tax savings. Presti has been widely criticized for making cost saving moves in the past.

Bottom line, whether OKC is better with Melo or Shroder, neither is making them good enough to beat the elite teams.

Are you seriously criticizing Presti for not having a $300 Million payroll by getting rid of a player that can’t help them in any way? That’s a tough sell.
 

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It saves money this season but will cost them the next two if he stays. If they don't through some miracle win the title this season or trade Schroder then it's a horrible trade for OKC.

The original trade for Melo was the horrible trade, not possible for this one to be.
 

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So you think shroder, a ball dominant, scoring PG is going to be happy playing backup minutes behind the most Ball dominant PG of all time?

I will believe that when I see it.

Quite honestly no one will give a shit if he is happy or not. I expect him to be moved by seasons end, if not before the season starts.
 

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Are you seriously criticizing Presti for not having a $300 Million payroll by getting rid of a player that can’t help them in any way? That’s a tough sell.

Yep.

It's part of a GM's job....
 

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Quite honestly no one will give a shit if he is happy or not. I expect him to be moved by seasons end, if not before the season starts.

You are missing the point.

He is not unmovable, but You going to have to attach some assets to move him, and you aren't erring anything good back. That is generally a bad move for a team trying to contend.
 

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Are you seriously criticizing Presti for not having a $300 Million payroll by getting rid of a player that can’t help them in any way? That’s a tough sell.

No.

But He shouldn't be praised for this move either.

Because while it helps them save money this year, it costs them the next 2. And I do not think Shroder will help much on the court.
 

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I agree that the trade wasn't that great for the Thunder. But not for the reasons listed. Schroder can play 6th man for a season and repair his image enough to be shipped off to another team. The reason the trade wasn't good for the Thunder is the 1st round draft pick in 2022. That draft will be loaded and the picks 1st and 2nd round will have more value than any other draft in the history of the league. Lottery protected makes no difference. Players that go late 1st would have been lottery any other year.
How in the sam hell can anyone know what kind of players will be drafted in 4 YEARS? Or did I miss a joke here....
 

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No.

But He shouldn't be praised for this move either.

Because while it helps them save money this year, it costs them the next 2. And I do not think Shroder will help much on the court.

I’m not praising him, just saying I’m shocked he didn’t have to stretch Melo. As for costing more the next 2 years it’s all relative, I would bet Schroeder is off the roster by end of 2019 season and if so it doesn’t cost more.
 

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I disagree.

Shroder can't shoot. Melo can. Neither helps defensively.

I know it didn't work last year, but defenses have to respect Melo off the ball. The more players like Shroder and Roberson you put on the floor, the harder it becomes for Russ to do his thing in half court offense.
Something tells me shroder and Russ won’t be on the court much at the same time.
 

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Something tells me shroder and Russ won’t be on the court much at the same time.

Westbrook averaged about 36 minutes per game, Schroder averaged 31.

Unless they plan on paying Schroder $15 million dollars to play 12 minutes per game. They are going to be on the floor together a good bit.
 
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