Got one more shady and Gordon for...

The Foot · Jul 17, 2018

What about this one.

Shady and Josh Gordon

Or

McKinnon and Sean lee.

Which set you want on your team

Bandit · Jul 17, 2018

Well now in that case if you eliminate Demaryius Thomas from it, I'd rather have Shady and Josh Gordon.

femurov · Jul 17, 2018

Bandit said:
Well now in that case if you eliminate Demaryius Thomas from it, I'd rather have Shady and Josh Gordon.

If you add DT, I would do the deal.

FaCe-LeE-uS · Jul 17, 2018

I’d rather have Shady & Gordon.

SmokingMonkey · Jul 17, 2018

Shady and Gordon

Shady might even come out clean from all this nonsense

TREFF · Jul 17, 2018

Fine, I'll take the other side.
I can't for the life of me foresee a scenario where Shady escapes this stuff unscathed. Maybe, MAYBE it isn't this season, but something will come of it, even if its just a minimal suspension without charges being filed at all, ala Zeke. But more likely, IMHO, a commissioner's exempt list until the investigation concludes, which may very well result in him having played his last down. No way I value him as anything but a toss in in trade negotiations. Its simply too risky.
And Gordon ain't much better off. Dude so much as looks at the cameras wrong he could get banned for life. I'm not putting much more stock into him than I am Shady.
So while in a vacuum, Shady and Gordon may very well be the two best players in the deal, the safer, smart play, to me, is McKinnon and Lee

broncosmitty · Jul 18, 2018

I'm assuming Shadys career ended last season.

Sean Lees might be over. Who knows? Guy is not getting any younger. I'll take McKinnon over Josh Gordon. Cross my fingers on Lee week to week. (I'm a sucker for Lee in IDP.)

broncosmitty · Jul 18, 2018

I might already have the McKinnon/Lee combo in multiple dynasties....

HaroldSeattle · Jul 18, 2018

Risky either way you go. I’d go McCoy and Gordon. McCoy still has a chance to play this year, and I for one think Gordon will have a decent season. McKinnon could have a breakout year, but I’m not a believer and LBs are plentiful to find.

Yellow Fuzzies · Jul 18, 2018

McCoy and Gordon for me.

TKOSpikes · Jul 18, 2018

I'd rather use Shady and Gordon to get one RB better than McKinnon. Lee is irrelevant. Has he ever played 8 games in a season?

SmokingMonkey · Jul 18, 2018

TKOSpikes said:
I'd rather use Shady and Gordon to get one RB better than McKinnon. Lee is irrelevant. Has he ever played 8 games in a season?

but any time he plays, he produces, hard to argue with that if you have the bench space

tlance · Jul 18, 2018

Shocked how many people are taking Shady and Gordon.

Guys, Shady's career is quite possibly over. He does not have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If Goodell thinks Shady might be responsible for this (I think he probably is), Shady is done.

There was a pretty solid case to be made for McKinnon over Shady before all this nonsense.

I know some on here still love Josh Gordon, but it is also highly unlikely he ever gets back to being more than a WR2. He is a solid player, also with a lot of risk, but not nearly enough to make up for the gap in value between McKinnon and Shady.

McKinnon is the jewel of this trade. The side getting him isnthe winner, hands down.

HaroldSeattle · Jul 19, 2018

I see a private settlement taking place in the McCoy case. It would benefit both parties and already the lawyer has stated that she may have been mistaken. Don't think the NFL wants another pr nightmare and will ignore it if there is a settlement.
If that's the case, McCoy has the better track record and it's not even close. Linebackers are a dime a dozen.
I'll stick with the McCoy Gordon side.

tlance · Jul 19, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
I see a private settlement taking place in the McCoy case. It would benefit both parties and already the lawyer has stated that she may have been mistaken. Don't think the NFL wants another problem nightmare and will ignore it if there is a settlement.
If that's the case, McCoy has the better track record and it's not even close. Linebackers are a dime a dozen.
I'll stick with the McCoy Gordon side.

Might be.

I am still taking McKinnon over McCoy in dynasty 100 times out of 100.

He is younger, the 9ers invested heavily in him this off season and he is the feature back for an up and coming offense.

TKOSpikes · Jul 19, 2018

tlance said:
Shocked how many people are taking Shady and Gordon.

Guys, Shady's career is quite possibly over. He does not have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If Goodell thinks Shady might be responsible for this (I think he probably is), Shady is done.

There was a pretty solid case to be made for McKinnon over Shady before all this nonsense.

I know some on here still love Josh Gordon, but it is also highly unlikely he ever gets back to being more than a WR2. He is a solid player, also with a lot of risk, but not nearly enough to make up for the gap in value between McKinnon and Shady.

McKinnon is the jewel of this trade. The side getting him isnthe winner, hands down.

"Shady is done" is not exact. Nobody knows for sure. I'd be looking to move him too, but not as if he has played his last game.
Lee is much closer to being "done". He's always hurt, no longer a tackling machine and gets no sacks. And they just drafted his successor.
Gordon is a wild card. Could be amazing. I've always shied away from him for obvious reasons, but he made me question myself last year...looked pretty decent.

So, is a wild card and Shady worth JMK? Not in my book. JMK is a sub 4 ypc little guy. We've never seen him with a 200 carry season. Can he match what Hyde did last year? Maybe. Maybe not. They paid him to do so, but that doesn't mean much.

But acting like he is already great is a mistake, imo.

HaroldSeattle · Jul 19, 2018

TKOSpikes said:
"Shady is done" is not exact. Nobody knows for sure. I'd be looking to move him too, but not as if he has played his last game.
Lee is much closer to being "done". He's always hurt, no longer a tackling machine and gets no sacks. And they just drafted his successor.
Gordon is a wild card. Could be amazing. I've always shied away from him for obvious reasons, but he made me question myself last year...looked pretty decent.

So, is a wild card and Shady worth JMK? Not in my book. JMK is a sub 4 ypc little guy. We've never seen him with a 200 carry season. Can he match what Hyde did last year? Maybe. Maybe not. They paid him to do so, but that doesn't mean much.

But acting like he is already great is a mistake, imo.

Yup. I can see projecting McKinnon to have a better year than previous, but he was ranked 34th I think for RBs, and McCoy was too 5
That a heck of a leap of faith for McKinnon. His contract is set up so the 49ers can move on from him after this year if they wish.....

TREFF · Jul 19, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
Yup. I can see projecting McKinnon to have a better year, but he was ranked 34th I think for RBs, and McCoy was too 5
That a heck of a leap of faith for McKinnon. His contract is set up so the 49ers can move on from him after this year if they wish.....

I know that for me, I think McKinnon can compare favorably with Shady, isn't that I'm expecting a top five season from him, but rather that Shady, given the losses along the line and the QB switch/downgrade, is being given far too much credit to be ranked that much higher.

As Tlance mentioned, it was already questionable as to whether Shady was worth a second rounder..it isn't because he suddenly sucks, but the entire Bills offense is likely to really suck

tlance · Jul 19, 2018

TREFF said:
I know that for me, I think McKinnon can compare favorably with Shady, isn't that I'm expecting a top five season from him, but rather that Shady, given the losses along the line and the QB switch/downgrade, is being given far too much credit to be ranked that much higher.

As Tlance mentioned, it was already questionable as to whether Shady was worth a second rounder..it isn't because he suddenly sucks, but the entire Bills offense is likely to really suck

I think these guys are also drastically underestimating the power and ego of Goodell.

TREFF · Jul 19, 2018

tlance said:
I think these guys are also drastically underestimating the power and ego of Goodell.

Definite possibility. Think he's proven he doesn't require much more than his personal opinion to drop the hammer

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