Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi (2017)

Last Jedi was pretty "meh" IMO.

Maybe I am getting too old to enjoy Star Wars.

calsnowskier said:

My main complaint is using Pink hair instead of Admiral Akbar to save the fleet.

Why kill an iconic character off screen and give a noble death to a nobody?

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Because Star Wars fans would lose their shit for making it look like Akbar was an evil character just letting people die. It doesn’t fit what they think he should do so it’s Disney ruining the character. You know that would happen.

chf said:

Thus the joke.

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So what is this joke that you keep referring to while denying that she was asking about sex? Is the joke that it's supposed to be obvious to the audience that she wasn't talking about sex but if not for the ridiculousness of droid/human sex one might think that was what she was talking about?

If so then I'll ask again, what do you suppose she was referring to? And more importantly what did the droid understand her to be talking about (presumably they'd be the same thing but maybe not)? The droid just dismissed the idea of being in a relationship with Lando so that wouldn't have been what she meant when she said "Oh it works!".

juliansteed said:

So what is this joke that you keep referring to while denying that she was asking about sex? Is the joke that it's supposed to be obvious to the audience that she wasn't talking about sex but if not for the ridiculousness of droid/human sex one might think that was what she was talking about?

If so then I'll ask again, what do you suppose she was referring to? And more importantly what did the droid understand her to be talking about (presumably they'd be the same thing but maybe not)? The droid just dismissed the idea of being in a relationship with Lando so that wouldn't have been what she meant when she said "Oh it works!".

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The over-the-top, manic, ideologue robot wasn't capable of seeing things through a cloudy lens?

See there's a history in the SW universe of robots mimicking the weird personality traits of humans. (or actually BEING that, if we assume true sentience).

So C3PO is a fussy English butler in space.

Why'd they write him like that? For laughs.

Now if the fanboys of the day HATED C3PO for being the fussy gay robot, because he wasn't LITERAL enough? not SERIOUS enough?

I dunno.

They played the scene with 'How'd that work?' 'Oh it WORKS!!' for laughs. Just like they played 3PO back in the day.

What I'm trying to get across, is people are LOOKING for stuff to be outraged about.

There's so many examples of this it's getting tiresome. Look at the 'how could they do that?!!!!' about the space bombers. And ABSOLUTELY, it's ridiculous. However, they've NEVER been concerned with physics in SW. We've got R2D2 putting out flames on the X-wing and they're FLICKERING in the space wind. Where the fuck did the wind come from?

But because we weren't looking for shit to be outraged about, we just rolled with some small shit like that, and went along for the ride.

These new movies, which are FAAAAR superior to the 2nd trilogy, but almost nobody goes along for the ride. People pick out every little detail. And obsess over it. People record and post 30 minute diatribes about it on youtube.

I'd like to think even 19 year old me wouldn't have made a 30 minute video about the Ewoks, even though I couldn't stand them.

Anyway, let's quit trying to parse the thoughts of fictional robots. I'll continue to believe that it's just them doing what they've always done. Others will continue to believe that it's the thin edge of the gay robot/ brown person revolution.

Look whatever your thoughts are I think we can all agree that nobody wants to clean cum out of a robot.

chf said:

The over-the-top, manic, ideologue robot wasn't capable of seeing things through a cloudy lens?

See there's a history in the SW universe of robots mimicking the weird personality traits of humans. (or actually BEING that, if we assume true sentience).

So C3PO is a fussy English butler in space.

Why'd they write him like that? For laughs.

Now if the fanboys of the day HATED C3PO for being the fussy gay robot, because he wasn't LITERAL enough? not SERIOUS enough?

I dunno.

They played the scene with 'How'd that work?' 'Oh it WORKS!!' for laughs. Just like they played 3PO back in the day.

What I'm trying to get across, is people are LOOKING for stuff to be outraged about.

There's so many examples of this it's getting tiresome. Look at the 'how could they do that?!!!!' about the space bombers. And ABSOLUTELY, it's ridiculous. However, they've NEVER been concerned with physics in SW. We've got R2D2 putting out flames on the X-wing and they're FLICKERING in the space wind. Where the fuck did the wind come from?

But because we weren't looking for shit to be outraged about, we just rolled with some small shit like that, and went along for the ride.

These new movies, which are FAAAAR superior to the 2nd trilogy, but almost nobody goes along for the ride. People pick out every little detail. And obsess over it. People record and post 30 minute diatribes about it on youtube.

I'd like to think even 19 year old me wouldn't have made a 30 minute video about the Ewoks, even though I couldn't stand them.

Anyway, let's quit trying to parse the thoughts of fictional robots. I'll continue to believe that it's just them doing what they've always done. Others will continue to believe that it's the thin edge of the gay robot/ brown person revolution.

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You're assuming way too much and reading way too much into it instead of focusing on what's being discussed. You still haven't actually answered the questions being asked, at least not in a direct way but I think I get what you are saying now.

So you're saying that both characters were in fact talking about sex but instead of speaking from experience (as I and many others interpreted it), you believe she is simply being delusional as she says "Oh it works!" If that's your interpretation then I can't tell you that you are right or wrong but at least I get where you are coming from, whereas before I really didn't know what you meant when you'd simply say "That's the joke.".

For the record I liked Solo and no I'm not looking for reasons to pick it apart. I actually very much prefer the 2 anthology movies vs. Episodes 7 & 8. That doesn't mean I liked every last thing about the movie. I did however dislike that droid character and my interpretation of that dialogue wouldn't make me dislike her any more or less than I otherwise would.

Cave_Johnson said:

Look whatever your thoughts are I think we can all agree that nobody wants to clean cum out of a robot.

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That's why you get a robot that's specifically designed to clean up your sex robot. DUH

I honestly don't understand the complaint about identity politics in this movie. God forbid we have a female lead in a movie. Oooooh scary.

I thought The Force Awakens was well done. I have some issues with it, but overall, I thought it was good. I did not like The Last Jedi. Everything involving Luke/Kylo/Rey was amazing. I also liked the Praetorian guards, and the light speed collision. Pretty much everything else was shit. Here's what I didn't like:

- Finn's story here was not very interesting. It started off so well in TFA as a Storm Trooper who defects...that's interesting. Here, not so much. I think the point of Finn in this movie was that he actually found something to fight for other than just tagging along with Rey. He was willing to sacrifice himself for the rebellion (which would have been really cool), but then...

- Rose is a terrible, terrible character. I'm going to go ahead and say that the line leading up to the kiss between Rose and Finn has to be the stupidest dialogue in the entire series. Even worse than "I don't like sand".

- Canto Bight was terrible. It seemed like they couldn't think of anything interesting for Finn in this movie, so they came up with this busy work for him and Rose. Riding on the animals as they escaped was cringe-worthy.

- Leia floating through space. I don't like it, but I'm not as critical as most people are of it. I liked their intention behind this. Leia, knowing that she has the same power as Luke, wakes up and uses her extraordinary abilities. Well-intentioned, but terribly executed in my opinion.

- Holdo keeping the plans away from Poe makes absolutely zero sense. I have no idea what they were going for here.

- I didn't like that they killed Snoke off without telling us about where he came from. But I'm hoping that will be revealed somewhere and I guess I appreciate them not telling us every piece of the story as they go from one movie to another. The puzzle pieces will come together, I hope.

- Captain Phasma was a really big waste. I'm guessing she will be alive in Episode 9 and maybe have some burns or something, but it was still dumb to "kill" her off that way. Regardless of what they do with her, I don't think they have a very good plan with her.

- BB8 showing up to save the day by getting into the thing and shooting coins seemed completely out of place for a Star Wars movie.

- I didn't like the fake-out with Luke at the end. At first he went with an Obiwan "strike me down" kind of moment, so we all thought he was going to die there. Then it turns out he's a hologram and Luke is safe on his island. Then...he dies somehow. I don't like how he died there, but I think I'm more critical of that part than most.

- The biggest issue with this movie was that it did not seem to connect to The Force Awakens. It became very obvious that there was absolutely no collaboration between the two directors and there was no script that they were going off of. They're basically just making up shit as they go, which is an incredibly stupid way to do this trilogy. The Force Awakens placed emphasis on questions that were expected to be revealed later on. The Last Jedi basically came in and said, "Yea fuck all that noise, we're going to go over here instead." Terrible. In fact, let's compare this to the prequel trilogy. The first two movies were terrible, but I LOVED Revenge of the Sith (and I know many people don't think as highly of it as I do). The plan with the sequels wasn't well-executed, but there was a plan. The story connected. The Last Jedi did not connect to The Force Awakens. It will take a miracle to tie this bundle of shit together to come up with a coherent conclusion.

flyerhawk said:

Exactly. Honestly more Chewy as key part of the movie and less as comic relief. The stupid penguin chickens were the 2nd worst thing about the movie behind the space bombers.

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I liked the space bombers and thought it was a pretty cool nod to War World II air battles. At least it was different and not the same old same old.

I think Luke was grossly mishandled in this movie and if you fix his character then everyone is happy and doesn't care about Finn, Rose or tittie milk.

I don't feel like digging up the topic for episode 9 (if there is one) so I'll just post it here.

They've added Keri Russell to the cast but there's no word yet on what her role will be other than its action oriented (not surprising since Keri kicked lots of ass on The Americans). Lots of people are jumping to the obvious conclusion that she will be Rey's mom because her and Daisy Ridley do share a resemblance.

wildturkey said:

I don't feel like digging up the topic for episode 9 (if there is one) so I'll just post it here.

They've added Keri Russell to the cast but there's no word yet on what her role will be other than its action oriented (not surprising since Keri kicked lots of ass on The Americans). Lots of people are jumping to the obvious conclusion that she will be Rey's mom because her and Daisy Ridley do share a resemblance.

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I only hope we can finally see how similar their butts look.

Why was TLJ bad? Where do I start?

1. Completely doing a 180' on Luke's character. He went from the most powerful Jedi who had kept hope in the face of bad odds against him and his friends. He was virtuous. Instead, we get a bitter old hermit who ran away from adversity and secluded himself far away from his friends/family after attempting to murder a teenager he was training to "keep him from turning to the Dark side". Gave the most anticlimatic death of all time to one of the GOAT protagonists.

2. Purple haired idiot and the feminist agenda being shoved down our throats incessantly. Her approach to leadership style made zero sense and her role was contrived and forced.

3. Snope was made into a completely pointless character with zero developement.

4. Kylo should have turned light based on how they had developed his character up to the point of the terribly done fight with Rey against Snope's guards. Made zero sense to keep him dark side at that point.

5. Purple hair's method of destroying the major bad ship via suicide hit with hyper space - completely defeated the purpose of the huge ships/battle stations in the franchise and was on par with medicloreons for how stupidly it altered hyper space travel from some sort of wormhole loop space travling to just flying super-duper fast. That part was also done with how the First Order just chased them down with ease too.

6. Leia being turned into a magical force witch when she should have died after being blown into space completely exposed.

7. Rose - there has never been a more pointless main character in the entire Star Wars franchise. Completely shape-shifted character within the same film by deciding to hook up with Finn shortly after being ready to lock him up for trying to abandon the crew.

8. Porgs.


In short, even setting expanded universe Star Wars nerd lore aside, the movie made zero sense in the context of even just the original trilogy. They might as well have made these movies without bringing the old cast back, as doing so ended up being nothing more than a cash grab with how the project has been handeled.

• Xponentialchaos said:

  I honestly don't understand the complaint about identity politics in this movie. God forbid we have a female lead in a movie. Oooooh scary.

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You didn't see the identity politics bs when they had a random one-movie purple haired feminist become one of the main heroes of the film after her numerous refusals to explain to Poe/the crew her obtuse battle/escape plan? Or the fact that basically every evil character was an evil white guy except for the female storm trooper leader, while women/minorities clearly dominated the leadership roles of the protagonists? Chewy going vegetarian mode over those chicken penguins? Rey being a skilled Jedi/near Jedi deserving of Luke Skywalker's attention despite having virtually zero training in it previously and her parents seemingly being random drunken nobodies? The painfully forced relationship between Finn and Rose that made zero sense purely from a standpoint of how the characters were initially developed?

Yeah, no identity politics/SJW agenda in any of that... right.

GhostOfPoverty said:

You didn't see the identity politics bs when they had a random one-movie purple haired feminist become one of the main heroes of the film after her numerous refusals to explain to Poe/the crew her obtuse battle/escape plan?

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Can you please walk me through what makes you think Holdo is a feminist?

Or the fact that basically every evil character was an evil white guy except for the female storm trooper leader

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while women/minorities clearly dominated the leadership roles of the protagonists?

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Well let's see, I'd say the main protagonists are Leia, Luke, Rey, Poe, and Finn. Two of the 5 are white men. Oooooh scawwwyyy.

Chewy going vegetarian mode over those chicken penguins?

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Are you actively going out of your way to be offended by things? It's pathetic that a little attempt at humor like this gets you this riled up.

Rey being a skilled Jedi/near Jedi deserving of Luke Skywalker's attention despite having virtually zero training in it previously and her parents seemingly being random drunken nobodies?

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Women aren't allowed to be exceptionally skilled with the force, apparently.

The painfully forced relationship between Finn and Rose that made zero sense purely from a standpoint of how the characters were initially developed?

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Because if we're going to have a really dumb romantic scene, it better be with a white man and a white woman. I don't like sand.

Yeah, no identity politics/SJW agenda in any of that... right.

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Or you can just stop going out of your way to be offended by dumb things. $0.02.

It's undeniable that they are making an effort to include more women and minority actors in these movies. But that's just the actor involved, their roles don't have a feminist/sjw message hidden behind them. Every single one of those parts could have been played by a white male without changing anything.

Holdo was a poorly written character, and her decision to hide her plans from hew crew are just ridiculous. Her being a woman doesn't change any of this.

Rey was made way too perfect and flawless, but so was Luke when he was first introduced. She's basically a female Luke.

I thought this thread was about The Last Jedi, but I am seeing people mentioning The Force Awakens? What gives?

I liked the Force Awakens for what it was when it released and I still think it's ok. I rate it below the prequels, but that's mostly because even for all their flaws they were at least original. TFA was a complete remake and not as good as the original.

I absolutely hated the last Jedi, it is one of the worst films I have ever watched. It is slow and plodding, the pacing is atrocious, the plot makes no sense, the leaders are both sides are complete idiots, the movie wasted 45 minutes to tell us that capitalism, animal cruelty and slavery are bad, Luke projects himself across the galaxy to save the day so there's no danger, but dies anyway for no reason, the hyperspace ramming contradicts previous Star Wars lore, there's no way out of the base at the end, and Rose gives the most cringe worthy line I have ever heard in a movie after dooming the resistance, but actually there is a way out even though we just said there wasn't lulz, which just made the entire assault on that cannon dumb and pointless. And there is tons of stuff I didn't even list, this movie makes my brain hurt.

As for Rey I don't hate her character because she is female. That's a narrative that's being pushed to deflect blame. I dislike Rey because she is a master of the force with no training, she has no character arc so she doesn't grow and she is perfect so it is impossible for anyone to relate to her. She is badly written, period. It would be every bit as bad if she was male, transgender, an alien, Donald Trump, whatever. Her gender is irrelevant.

GhostOfPoverty said:

You didn't see the identity politics bs when they had a random one-movie purple haired feminist become one of the main heroes of the film after her numerous refusals to explain to Poe/the crew her obtuse battle/escape plan? Or the fact that basically every evil character was an evil white guy except for the female storm trooper leader, while women/minorities clearly dominated the leadership roles of the protagonists? Chewy going vegetarian mode over those chicken penguins? Rey being a skilled Jedi/near Jedi deserving of Luke Skywalker's attention despite having virtually zero training in it previously and her parents seemingly being random drunken nobodies? The painfully forced relationship between Finn and Rose that made zero sense purely from a standpoint of how the characters were initially developed?

Yeah, no identity politics/SJW agenda in any of that... right.

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Why does everyone assume Solo Jr. was telling the truth about Rey's parents???
He was a sith telling Rey what he thought would turn her to his side/get her to join him. Why would he tell her the truth, if he really even knew it in the first place?
Luke had zero training and only had his heritage when Obi and then Yoda started training him. Luke was lied to about who is real parents were too for obvious reasons. I think we'll find out Rey's true heritage in IX.

Ewa PGH Fan said:

Why does everyone assume Solo Jr. was telling the truth about Rey's parents???
He was a sith telling Rey what he thought would turn her to his side/get her to join him. Why would he tell her the truth, if he really even knew it in the first place?
Luke had zero training and only had his heritage when Obi and then Yoda started training him. Luke was lied to about who is real parents were too for obvious reasons. I think we'll find out Rey's true heritage in IX.

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Good post.

Except Kylo is not Sith. Vader was the last Sith.