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jarntt · Jun 23, 2018

PhoenixEagles1 said:
I’m the one not looking objectively? Dak was fantastic his rookie year and deserved the accolades. Wentz had almost ZERO college experience and had ups and downs his rookie year. When QBs grow and mature you hope they get better. One exploded on the scene and one regressed. There is not one phase of QBing where Dak is better except running. We are gonna look back at these posts in 5 years and I can’t wait to see how it gets spun. I know you know football. I know you’re a level headed guy and I also know that you know Dak is good but simply not the QB Wentz is.

I'm just saying that you quoting this ranking as meaning anything reads like trying to continuing the Wentz agenda. These things change with the wind. Much of what you said in the first few pages could be said in the reverse after year 1. I'm not making a statement about who is better or who was better year 1, just that this list means nothing and the fact that it was completely reversed year 1 proves that. Who knows where year 3 and beyond will take us. I am surprised people even look at these things. There is only one list I ever look at and that's All Pro. No rankings, no Pro Bowl, nothing else. Even MVP wouldn't go to a QB so often if it were legit.

PDay8810 · Jun 23, 2018

PhoenixEagles1 said:
The top 20 are what NFL players think... but you know more right. Fucking guy couldn’t crack the top 100. That’s why PDay, Handi and all the other Cowboy posters who deluded themselves into thinking Dak is as good as Wentz scattered like roaches when this came out. Fucking the guys who actually play the game are saying the same thing as me. It’s a mistake that NFL players think Wentz is a top 10 player... ok dude.

this is the only reason I even commented. You begged for the attention, and got slammed again.
2017 list meant nothing but the 2018 list means everything.

phoenix remains a circus act

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

jarntt said:
I'm just saying that you quoting this ranking as meaning anything reads like trying to continuing the Wentz agenda. These things change with the wind. Much of what you said in the first few pages could be said in the reverse after year 1. I'm not making a statement about who is better or who was better year 1, just that this list means nothing and the fact that it was completely reversed year 1 proves that. Who knows where year 3 and beyond will take us. I am surprised people even look at these things. There is only one list I ever look at and that's All Pro. No rankings, no Pro Bowl, nothing else. Even MVP wouldn't go to a QB so often if it were legit.

Cool... Wentz was All Pro last season

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

PDay8810 said:
this is the only reason I even commented. You begged for the attention, and got slammed again.
2017 list meant nothing but the 2018 list means everything.

phoenix remains a circus act

Yep.. it’s a circus act to think Wentz is better then Dak

PDay8810 · Jun 23, 2018

PhoenixEagles1 said:
Yep.. it’s a circus act to think Wentz is better then Dak

no shit for brains
the circus act is you getting all pissed cause people say this superiority you speak of hasn't shown itself to be true through the first two season....but here you are calling posters out and saying their hiding like roaches.

For years I've said this circus act of spinning statements is your agenda. Did you read Jarntt's post, you know, the guy you claim knows football as if the rest of us don't

"you quoting this ranking as meaning anything reads like trying to continuing the Wentz agenda"

It is a Wentz agenda and you remain the only philly fan here pounding the point when the fucking truth remains that hasn't shown itself through the first two seasons

Battlelyon · Jun 23, 2018

Right now if you had to choose between Wentz or Dak to start a franchise, most GMs would take Wentz

PDay8810 · Jun 23, 2018

Battlelyon said:
Right now if you had to choose between Wentz or Dak to start a franchise, most GMs would take Wentz

this is most likely true, he was the second player taken in the draft.
If you are following along, the point remains more that through the first two seasons, Wentz has not shown himself to be vastly superior to Prescott. One would think that should start to show itself soon, perhaps it will but it hasn't as of now.

At this point, Elliott and Dak seems to be better than Wentz and phillys 4th rounder in 2017

Manster7588 · Jun 23, 2018

Battlelyon said:
Right now if you had to choose between Wentz or Dak to start a franchise, most GMs would take Wentz

Agree, but most of those GMs last year at this time would have said Dak.
The difference of opinions between Cowboys fans and PE is simply let a few season pass before we rack and stack these guys.

Manster7588 · Jun 23, 2018

So @PhoenixEagles1 you quote almost every thing I say on this matter but you seem to ignore this.

"What happens if Dak puts up his 2016 numbers with Smith healthy and Zekes troubles behind him. Would you unlock that vault and re-examine that book."

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

Manster7588 said:
So @PhoenixEagles1 you quote almost every thing I say on this matter but you seem to ignore this.

"What happens if Dak puts up his 2016 numbers with Smith healthy and Zekes troubles behind him. Would you unlock that vault and re-examine that book."

If Dak improves a lot obviously I would but everyone knows Wentz has the better arm, the better football iq, and is just simply a better QB. Dak is a fantastic manager, especially in 2016 but he isn’t the face of the franchise or even the offense but in Philly Wentz is.
But Dak needs Zeke to be good, Wentz doesn’t.

@PDay8810 is sitting here saying “It hasn’t shown itself”. Sure looks like it has to me. One regressed and one played MVP ball. I got my 2018 football guide and they have Wentz ranked 3rd at QB and Dak at 17 behind Foles. Wentz was all pro. Wentz was voted a top 10 player. When did Dak ever do all that?

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

PDay8810 said:
no shit for brains
the circus act is you getting all pissed cause people say this superiority you speak of hasn't shown itself to be true through the first two season....but here you are calling posters out and saying their hiding like roaches.

For years I've said this circus act of spinning statements is your agenda. Did you read Jarntt's post, you know, the guy you claim knows football as if the rest of us don't

"you quoting this ranking as meaning anything reads like trying to continuing the Wentz agenda"

It is a Wentz agenda and you remain the only philly fan here pounding the point when the fucking truth remains that hasn't shown itself through the first two seasons

If you asked any Philly fan they’d say the same thing as me. Wish I could give you the link to a different Cowboy board but there’s a thread on it about Dak and Wentz and almost every Cowboy fan said Wentz is better and many have Foles ahead of Dak too. But they are just admitting the obvious.
Whats also interesting too is there are a bunch of Cowboy fans flat out saying Dak isn’t very good and hope Dallas doesn’t give him another deal. You think any Philly fan would say that about Wentz.
As for the difference not being apparent it looks apparent to me. Wentz went 11-1, either him or Brady was gonna win MVP, he was All Pro, when did Dak ever do that?

Cowherd said it precisely... Dak is a Corvette, Wentz is a Maserati

Manster7588 · Jun 23, 2018

PhoenixEagles1 said:
If Dak improves a lot obviously I would but everyone knows Wentz has the better arm, the better football iq, and is just simply a better QB. Dak is a fantastic manager, especially in 2016 but he isn’t the face of the franchise or even the offense but in Philly Wentz is.
But Dak needs Zeke to be good, Wentz doesn’t.

@PDay8810 is sitting here saying “It hasn’t shown itself”. Sure looks like it has to me. One regressed and one played MVP ball. I got my 2018 football guide and they have Wentz ranked 3rd at QB and Dak at 17 behind Foles. Wentz was all pro. Wentz was voted a top 10 player. When did Dak ever do all that?

Bullshit. Truth is everybody doesn't know who's better at this point. 1 year ago people were claiming Dak was better.
As for Wentz not needing Zeke, he 100% was aided by the best OL in the NFL.

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

Manster7588 said:
Bullshit. Truth is everybody doesn't know who's better at this point. 1 year ago people were claiming Dak was better.
As for Wentz not needing Zeke, he 100% was aided by the best OL in the NFL.

Of course he was aided by a great OLine. You don’t have any concerns when Zeke went out and Dak couldn’t deliver. I just can’t fathom this... “I’m not sure who is better” nonsense. When was Dak a top 2 MVP candidate. When was Dak all pro? Never. Dak is a good player and I expect him to rebound especially now the OLine is together and Zeke is back. I also expect Wentz to struggle this year over coming his injuries but it was easy for me to see even in 2016. Wentz had very very little college experience but year one when he had his ups and downs I knew we had a star. Most, unbiased people see the clear difference distinctly. That’s why radio people call one a Corvette and one a Maserati. That’s why writers have Wentz ranked as the 3rd best QB in the NFL and Dak as the 17th. That’s why NFL players already calling Wentz a top 10 player. Dak is a phenomenal manager and gets the ball out quick and is an incredible leader and hard worker but he will never have the arm Wentz has. He will never have the pocket presence Wentz has. He will never be an elite QB. He is good and looking like a really good player but when you watch Wentz you say... in a few years he could be the best player in the NFL. No one thinks that about Dak. No one

Manster7588 · Jun 23, 2018

PhoenixEagles1 said:
Of course he was aided by a great OLine. You don’t have any concerns when Zeke went out and Dak couldn’t deliver. I just can’t fathom this... “I’m not sure who is better” nonsense. When was Dak a top 2 MVP candidate. When was Dak all pro? Never. Dak is a good player and I expect him to rebound especially now the OLine is together and Zeke is back. I also expect Wentz to struggle this year over coming his injuries but it was easy for me to see even in 2016. Wentz had very very little college experience but year one when he had his ups and downs I knew we had a star. Most, unbiased people see the clear difference distinctly. That’s why radio people call one a Corvette and one a Maserati. That’s why writers have Wentz ranked as the 3rd best QB in the NFL and Dak as the 17th. That’s why NFL players already calling Wentz a top 10 player. Dak is a phenomenal manager and gets the ball out quick and is an incredible leader and hard worker but he will never have the arm Wentz has. He will never have the pocket presence Wentz has. He will never be an elite QB. He is good and looking like a really good player but when you watch Wentz you say... in a few years he could be the best player in the NFL. No one thinks that about Dak. No one

Yes I think Zeke's issues and Smith's back played a lot into Daks drop. What I'm trying to explain to you is Wentz had a lot of support last season.
You keep whitewashing both QBs on 2017 completely disregarding 2016.

Wamu · Jun 23, 2018

If there aren't multiple Browns on that list it's completely invalid.

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

Manster7588 said:
Yes I think Zeke's issues and Smith's back played a lot into Daks drop. What I'm trying to explain to you is Wentz had a lot of support last season.
You keep whitewashing both QBs on 2017 completely disregarding 2016.

Not at all. Dak was fantastic in 2016 but IMO he had it really easy. The OLine was tremendous, Zeke was even better and the receivers were working. When Wentz had the worst receivers in the league and the OLine was struggling through injury and suspension he still made plays that let you know he had a tremendous future. Dak had tons of experience coming into a nice situation and was honestly fantastic. Part of the problem with my argument is it sounds like I’m putting down Dak but again... we all hate Cowherd but his Corvette to Maserati was spot on. I won’t be shocked at all if they play very similar this year but long term Wentz is better in every area you want your QB to be better in. Dak has the potential to be the next McNabb and Wentz has the potential to be the nest QB in the league. I’m already prepared for them to have similar stats this year and you guys saying “See” but long term Wentz will easily be the better QB. I think Dak can be excellent if you build nice parts around him but he will never be the type to put his team on his back and win like Wentz can. Wentz is the center piece... Dak isn’t, it’s Zeke.

Also you expect QBs to grow and Wentz grew exponentially while Dak regressed

Manster7588 · Jun 23, 2018

PhoenixEagles1 said:
Not at all. Dak was fantastic in 2016 but IMO he had it really easy. The OLine was tremendous, Zeke was even better and the receivers were working. When Wentz had the worst receivers in the league and the OLine was struggling through injury and suspension he still made plays that let you know he had a tremendous future. Dak had tons of experience coming into a nice situation and was honestly fantastic. Part of the problem with my argument is it sounds like I’m putting down Dak but again... we all hate Cowherd but his Corvette to Maserati was spot on. I won’t be shocked at all if they play very similar this year but long term Wentz is better in every area you want your QB to be better in. Dak has the potential to be the next McNabb and Wentz has the potential to be the nest QB in the league. I’m already prepared for them to have similar stats this year and you guys saying “See” but long term Wentz will easily be the better QB. I think Dak can be excellent if you build nice parts around him but he will never be the type to put his team on his back and win like Wentz can. Wentz is the center piece... Dak isn’t, it’s Zeke.

Also you expect QBs to grow and Wentz grew exponentially while Dak regressed

Dude, compare Wentz 2016 stats to Daks 2017 stars and get back to me.
Truth is when the teams around each played good Daks stats are better, when the team around each didn't play well Daks stats are better.
In the long run Wentz may very well be the better of the two, but to think Wentz is better and the book is closed is either a homer opinion or the opinion of an idiot.

PDay8810 · Jun 23, 2018

Manster7588 said:
In the long run Wentz may very well be the better of the two, but to think Wentz is better and the book is closed is either a homer opinion or the opinion of an idiot.

Spot on Manster.
Dak was a rookie QB in a QB league starting for a team that went 4-12 the year before he arrived.

but hey...the only reason Aikman was good was all emmitt :rolleyes2:

...it's a wonder Elliott didn't win the rookie of the year, what the hell was the league thinking giving the award to Dak?

AND nevermind they were 5-4 with Elliott last year and 3-3 without him going into the last game of the season.

this shit head is already spinning with expecting Dak to be as good if not better this season. LOL, now we gotta wait for 2019 or 2020....shit maybe 2021

pitch a tent over this guys circus....he ALWAYS spins and remains a troll with an agenda

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

PDay8810 said:
Spot on Manster.
Dak was a rookie QB in a QB league starting for a team that went 4-12 the year before he arrived.

but hey...the only reason Aikman was good was all emmitt ...it's a wonder Elliott didn't win the rookie of the year, what the hell was the league thinking giving the award to Dak?

AND nevermind they were 5-4 with Elliott last year and 3-3 without him going into the last game of the season.

this shit head is already spinning with expecting Dak to be as good if not better this season. LOL, now we gotta wait for 2019 or 2020....shit maybe 2021

pitch a tent over this guys circus....he ALWAYS spins and remains a troll with an agenda

I only expect Wentz to struggle cause he’s over coming and injury that’s not spinning. My agenda is letting you know everybody knows Wentz is better.

PhoenixEagles1 · Jun 23, 2018

Manster7588 said:
Dude, compare Wentz 2016 stats to Daks 2017 stars and get back to me.
Truth is when the teams around each played good Daks stats are better, when the team around each didn't play well Daks stats are better.
In the long run Wentz may very well be the better of the two, but to think Wentz is better and the book is closed is either a homer opinion or the opinion of an idiot.

Compare Wentz 2017 stats to Daks 2016 and get back to me. This is so stupid. Go on cowboyszone and see what 95% of Cowboy thinks who is better. Go on the internet, buy NFL mags, listen to radio hosts... everyone is saying Wentz is better. Do you have any concern that one dude got tremendously better year 2 and one guy got worse. That doesn’t concern you? Can’t wait til the day we look back on this and laugh. Tell me where Dak is better then Wentz except at running.

Dak doesn’t have one skill better then Wentz. Fucking huh probably would have won MVP but Daks just as good. Dak will NEVER be All Pro... Wentz already has

You said when both teams played well Daks stats are better? Huhh?

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