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Imagine if Kawhi's name were Russell Westbrook right about now...

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Bad blood with the other team.

Maybe I'm missing something?

Not sure why they'd care if they ended up with bad blood with the other team. These teams are looking to do what's best for themselves and they all know that.

The other team may not like what happened, but it's not likely to stop them from dealing with that team in the future if they have a chance to improve their team by doing so.

I know the Lakers weren't exactly happy that Indiana chose OKC's offer over theirs. But they'd negotiate with them again if they thought doing so could improve the team.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something?

Not sure why they'd care if they ended up with bad blood with the other team. These teams are looking to do what's best for themselves and they all know that.

The other team may not like what happened, but it's not likely to stop them from dealing with that team in the future if they have a chance to improve their team by doing so.

I know the Lakers weren't exactly happy that Indiana chose OKC's offer over theirs. But they'd negotiate with them again if they thought doing so could improve the team.

Because if a team dealt a player to another team without telling them that the player intended to sign with a different team next year, that team would likely be a bit upset about that.

There are constantly reports about how personal relationships between GMs are often central to deals getting done. If a GM acts in bad faith, news is going to get around.

I don't understand your Paul George example. Why would the Lakers be upset with the Pacers?
 

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Because if a team dealt a player to another team without telling them that the player intended to sign with a different team next year, that team would likely be a bit upset about that.

Oh okay, I get it.

That's basically why I prefer that a player is honest about what his intentions are.

If, for example, Kawhi comes out and says, I'm not re-signing with any team other than the Lakers and another team chooses to make an offer anyway, then that's on that team and they'd have no reason to be upset with the Spurs when Kawhi left.

But, I agree that if Kawhi didn't say it publicly, but the Spurs knew and didn't tell the team they were negotiating with. That team would have good reason to be pissed.
 

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Oh okay, I get it.

That's basically why I prefer that a player is honest about what his intentions are.

If, for example, Kawhi comes out and says, I'm not re-signing with any team other than the Lakers and another team chooses to make an offer anyway, then that's on that team and they'd have no reason to be upset with the Spurs when Kawhi left.

But, I agree that if Kawhi didn't say it publicly, but the Spurs knew and didn't tell the team they were negotiating with. That team would have good reason to be pissed.

I'm cool with a player being honest about his intentions. I don't think he should go public with that information though.
 

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I don't understand your Paul George example. Why would the Lakers be upset with the Pacers?

Maybe upset is the wrong word.

I think the Lakers offer was at least as good as OKC's. If memory serves, some felt it was a better offer. But it seemed like Indiana took the OKC offer just to spite PG. That meant that the Lakers not only had to wait another season, but may not even get him at all if he decides to stay in OKC.

Pretty sure they weren't exactly having purple and gold confetti dropped from the rafters over that. lol

But, I'm sure they also understand that it's actually worked out well for the Pacers and that at least some of it was that they were still getting a good package.

I'm pretty sure they would have been much happier had the Pacers taken their offer though. lol
 

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I'm cool with a player being honest about his intentions. I don't think he should go public with that information though.

Why not? I don't think it makes a difference. Whether it's public or not, his intentions are still going to be known (or at least should be) to the other teams.

The end result is still the same, it limits the number of teams that can be negotiated with.

Imo, either be open and honest about your intentions or don't say anything so that every team is taking the same chance with the same info.
 

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Just gonna throw this out there: Kawhi's injury is and has been legit. As far as I know, nothing about said injury has been faked in any attempt to get what he wants.
 

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Why not? I don't think it makes a difference. Whether it's public or not, his intentions are still going to be known (or at least should be) to the other teams.

The end result is still the same, it limits the number of teams that can be negotiated with.

Imo, either be open and honest about your intentions or don't say anything so that every team is taking the same chance with the same info.

Let's say you are RC Buford. Kawhi has said that he wants to be traded and preferably to the Lakers. You then start reaching out to teams that might be a good fit. You realize that you will need to inform any prospective trade partner about Kawhi's intentions.... eventually. But you really don't need to say anything until you are late in the game. And if all you are really looking to do is drive up the price to the Lakers, then you really don't say anything until you feel you got the most out of the Lakers. Perhaps you give the other teams one last chance to offer a counter-offer but let them know Kawhi's intentions.

Once Kawhi's posse makes it publicly known that he plays to go to LA, Buford loses almost all of his bargaining position. Now he has to try to convince other teams that making an offer is worth the risk or take whatever the Lakers offer or simply not trade him and risk letting him go for nothing.
 

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Honestly, it's really a no win situation for any player wanting to leave a team. The following guys have all been shit on despite the different ways it's been handled:

Paul George: Tells team he has no intention of resigning. Doesn't specifically request a trade, but tells them it's probably best for them to get something of value back.

Kyrie Irving: Goes to management to request a trade. Organization says no and he says he'll hold out due to injury to not play for them. But the key here is that NO ONE knew about it. It was leaked from other sources. Kyrie had no intention of letting it get out there and rumor is Lebron's camp leaked it to save Lebron's image.

Kevin Durant/Gordon Hayward: Both left after deciding during the off-season they wanted to explore another opportunity. Neither was completely intent on leaving, but were sold during free agency. Left farewell notes to their fans.

Kawhi Leonard: Someone in his camp leaks that he wants a trade. Rumors have been swirling forever about him being discontent with the organization. But there is fault on both sides on how this situation has played out.
 

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Honestly, it's really a no win situation for any player wanting to leave a team. The following guys have all been shit on despite the different ways it's been handled:

Paul George: Tells team he has no intention of resigning. Doesn't specifically request a trade, but tells them it's probably best for them to get something of value back.

Kyrie Irving: Goes to management to request a trade. Organization says no and he says he'll hold out due to injury to not play for them. But the key here is that NO ONE knew about it. It was leaked from other sources. Kyrie had no intention of letting it get out there and rumor is Lebron's camp leaked it to save Lebron's image.

Kevin Durant/Gordon Hayward: Both left after deciding during the off-season they wanted to explore another opportunity. Neither was completely intent on leaving, but were sold during free agency. Left farewell notes to their fans.

Kawhi Leonard: Someone in his camp leaks that he wants a trade. Rumors have been swirling forever about him being discontent with the organization. But there is fault on both sides on how this situation has played out.

There is a reason why Kyrie faced almost no backlash.
 

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Why not? I don't think it makes a difference. Whether it's public or not, his intentions are still going to be known (or at least should be) to the other teams.

The end result is still the same, it limits the number of teams that can be negotiated with.

Imo, either be open and honest about your intentions or don't say anything so that every team is taking the same chance with the same info.
once he goes public he cuts his team off at hte knees to a certain extent--- all going public does is piss the team off and give the player more leverage
 

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once he goes public he cuts his team off at hte knees to a certain extent--- all going public does is piss the team off and give the player more leverage

Doesn't make sense for the player helping to facilitate the trade because if the team has the leverage, they can acquire more assets in the trade back. By acquiring more assets, it depletes the team he's being traded to.
 

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once he goes public he cuts his team off at hte knees to a certain extent--- all going public does is piss the team off and give the player more leverage

Doesn't make sense for the player helping to facilitate the trade because if the team has the leverage, they can acquire more assets in the trade back. By acquiring more assets, it depletes the team he's being traded to.

Agree with both of you. lol

I guess it comes down to which side of the coin you're on.

When Shaq left, I was pissed at him because he demanded a trade publicly and the Lakers got far less for him than they likely would have if it was kept quiet.

Now?

I want Kawhi to hold a press conference and say "Read my lips. I'm not re-signing with anyone other than the Lakers" so that the Spurs have to trade him to the Lakers. lol
 

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Doesn't make sense for the player helping to facilitate the trade because if the team has the leverage, they can acquire more assets in the trade back. By acquiring more assets, it depletes the team he's being traded to.
yah i totally agree with you fi the player wants to be a scum bag.

i just dont like players who are under contract bitching about their status and then undercutting the team they signed the contract with.

that to me just does not seem right.
 

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yah i totally agree with you fi the player wants to be a scum bag.

i just dont like players who are under contract bitching about their status and then undercutting the team they signed the contract with.

that to me just does not seem right.

Being a scumbag is relative to your personal situation. Loyalty works both ways in the NBA and ownership has shown that there's really no loyalty there unless you're one of the few privileged. Hell the Clippers convinced Blake to resign with them by showing his jersey in the rafters as being retired there, and then traded him that very same season.
 

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I have no problem with Kawhi choosing to sit out the season if he believes that his injury has not recovered. It's his body.
I have no problem with Kawhi being upset with the Spurs. In particular I understand him being upset at Manu and Parker for their comments. Players shouldn't call out other players like that publicly.
I have no problem with Kawhi wanted to play in LA.

Where I DO have a problem is with him making it public that he wants to leave and that he plans to sign with LA when his contract expires. That's shitty. It was shitty when George did as well.

Has Kawhi said anything publically at all?
 

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Agree with both of you. lol

I guess it comes down to which side of the coin you're on.

When Shaq left, I was pissed at him because he demanded a trade publicly and the Lakers got far less for him than they likely would have if it was kept quiet.

Now?

I want Kawhi to hold a press conference and say "Read my lips. I'm not re-signing with anyone other than the Lakers" so that the Spurs have to trade him to the Lakers. lol

I'm thinking he demands the trade to the Lakers. Lakers give up a ton of assets to get him.

As soon as Kawhi gets there he tells them his injury is still lingering and decides to sit out the season. Then he goes back and signs with the Spurs at a free agent max, allowing them a hometown discount he has always been willing to take. Then him and Pop hold a press conference and say to the Lakers and everyone else:

gotcha-bitch.jpg
 

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I'm thinking he demands the trade to the Lakers. Lakers give up a ton of assets to get him.

As soon as Kawhi gets there he tells them his injury is still lingering and decides to sit out the season. Then he goes back and signs with the Spurs at a free agent max, allowing them a hometown discount he has always been willing to take. Then him and Pop hold a press conference and say to the Lakers and everyone else:

gotcha-bitch.jpg

Did you stop at the dispensary this morning? You're full of it today lol...
 

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Did you stop at the dispensary this morning? You're full of it today lol...

Think you need to lighten up a bit. Your humor seems to be broken.
 
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