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Where do the Lakers go from here...?

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How funny will it be if we have this backwards?

George won't come without LeBron.

But, LeBron WOULD come without George?

:crazy:

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Sorry @Shanemansj13 and @ChiefsLakers67 ....lol


Things he says he's hearing:
1) Chris Paul is telling people that Lebron doesn't want to come to Houston

2) Chris Paul is saying that Lebron just wants to be in LA

3) People in LA aren't sure Paul George is going to come to LA

4) Paul George is sentimental, may stay in OKC. Has a good relationship with Westbrook.

5) The money is also making PG13 want to stay in OKC

6) Stephen A Smith is not hearing that Lebron joining LA is dependent on PG13

Start around 10:53 and you hear him dive right into this after discussing Kawhi trades briefly.

I stopped listening to Stephen A a long time ago. I will stick to Woj and that’s pretty much it. Stephen A is worthless
 

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...and you could also argue that the highest paid player in the league limits the talent around him by taking up a huge % of the cap.

It just comes down to whether the Lakers decide to trade a prospect to try to get rid of Deng's contract (if Lebron/George are coming), or just move on from Randle (which I can't see, given his growth last year).

Randle was in a contract season, could very well have been fools gold.
 

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I stopped listening to Stephen A a long time ago. I will stick to Woj and that’s pretty much it. Stephen A is worthless
Stephen A is funny and that's why I listen to him. Most of those pundits take themselves way too seriously.
 

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Randle was in a contract season, could very well have been fools gold.

Randle needs the ball in his hands and I don't think he wants to come off the bench. I agree with other posters who have said that he's probably hit his ceiling. Overpaying him would be the wrong move.
 

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@trojanfan12

How funny will it be if we have this backwards?

George won't come without LeBron.

But, LeBron WOULD come without George?

:crazy:

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Sorry @Shanemansj13 and @ChiefsLakers67 ....lol


Things he says he's hearing:
1) Chris Paul is telling people that Lebron doesn't want to come to Houston

2) Chris Paul is saying that Lebron just wants to be in LA

3) People in LA aren't sure Paul George is going to come to LA

4) Paul George is sentimental, may stay in OKC. Has a good relationship with Westbrook.

5) The money is also making PG13 want to stay in OKC

6) Stephen A Smith is not hearing that Lebron joining LA is dependent on PG13

Start around 10:53 and you hear him dive right into this after discussing Kawhi trades briefly.

Interesting. To be fair, we have all just assumed that Lebron wouldn't come to the Lakers by himself because that's what he did before.
 

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Actually, the plan since before Magic and Pelinka officially took over has been to clear the cap space to sign 2 max level players.

What Magic said was that the Lakers were "not going to spend money, just to spend money." Meaning that if they don't land any max level guys this off-season, they aren't going to overpay some 2nd or 3rd tier guys just so they can say they did something.

If they don't land any max level guys, I expect that they will probably bring back Randle (he can be traded later if need be), sign a couple of Lopez/KCP types to 1 year deals and preserve the cap space for next off-season.

This.
 

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The main argument with you is that you're acting like Ingram for Kawhi is a straight up trade and that it's good value for the Spurs. Most on here would refute that statement and say that you're at the very least borderline crazy.

Not even borderline.
 

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Those are the three players in the starting line up that were drafted by the Warriors

Iguodala - was drafted by Philadelpha
McGee - was drafted by Cleveland
Durant was drafted by Oklahoma
Livingston was drafted by the Clippers
Knick Young was a loser that played for the Lakers, but I don't think he was drafted by the Lakers - he came in a trade
Zaza Came from Cleveland
David West - from Cleveland

Who else did you have in Mind? I don't doubt that there was fourth - but
looks like he is gone if that is the case

David West never played for the Cavs.

David West Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Zaza never played for the Cavs.

Zaza Pachulia Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Young signed with the Lakers as a FA.

You should probably just STFU......you don't really know or follow basketball.

OBVIOUSLY.
 

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“Knick” Young lololol what a jackass
 

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Seems to me, a lot of people not connected to any of the suggested teams on any level other than one of spectator want this triumvirate of George/James/Leonard for the Lakers to happen. However, none of the receiving teams other than maybe Phoenix want to deal with Lozo Ball's dog and pony show or the Deng contract. Apparently LeBron James doesn't want anything to do with Lonzo Ball either or perhaps his lunatic father. At any rate, this is a set of interesting musings from people with apparently too much time on their hands.

The pros and cons of Lonzo Ball with the Phoenix Suns

Oddly enough, there was an article about trading for Lebron (strange enough, since they can get him as a free agent outright) that suggested every scenario included Ball from Cleveland's end.

As far as a Leonard trade, it would HAVE to include the Deng contract to make the money work. The only question is whether a third team would have to be included to get that done (if the Spurs show any interest in helping him to the Lakers anyway). The only way the Lakers get him by trade is if he scares off everyone else by saying he won't re-sign with them (like George last year, although that hasn't proven out just yet either).
 

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They gave up the No. 2 pick after 2 seasons. It is pretty much the exact same thing as giving up Ingram.

Sorry, but NO. Giving up on Russell is far different, as he was not progressing and was proving to be far too childish and coasting instead of working hard to learn the offense. He was deemed expendable for the greater good. Ingram HAS progressed and I expect to see more of that this year. Whether or not they add multiple max players? Doesn't really matter to me, as I have always been in this for the long haul. I'd rather see these kids grow into star players and have the Lakers win with one key addition than throw all these years of growth away for the quick fix. There will be new options each year to build around. They could get Paul George this year, maybe add Jimmy Butler next year, that would be very solid, especially with guys like Randle, Ball, Ingram and Kuzma growing as a unit around them.
 

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The main argument with you is that you're acting like Ingram for Kawhi is a straight up trade and that it's good value for the Spurs. Most on here would refute that statement and say that you're at the very least borderline crazy.

In a vacuum, sure. But the situation is that you have lame duck player that wants out that can opt out next season and is coming off a major injury (and nobody knows his health status). Ingram, draft picks and matching salary is about all they can expect. Unless Kawhi tells some other team that he will re-sign with them, the Spurs have no leverage and will get uninspiring offers. Waiting until the deadline may improve things from the perspective of proving his health, but they also lose leverage in terms of NEEDING to trade him to avoid losing him for nothing next summer.

Who do you think is going to offer better than Ingram and a 1st? What are you going to get from Philly? Saric and Fultz maybe? Celtics would have to offer Brown/Morris/Rozier/Yabusele to match the salary, plus picks, which would gut their depth. Hayward and Horford make too much at $31M and $28M, and Kyrie is also a lame duck player coming off of injury.

Spurs are in a tough spot.
 

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You literally started this whole debate off stating that Ingram and Kawhi could be traded for each other and that it'd be equal and good value - this is why everyone considers your argument a fucking joke.

Also, when did I ever say they were going to get equal value for Kawhi? I just said that the Spurs could get better offers and that the Lakers weren't the best ones potentially available. Those are two completely different things.

If you are so sure, what are these offers that a team will make without any assurance that Kawhi won't leave next summer as a free agent?
 

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But although all signs have pointed toward George heading to L.A., the Lakers actually don’t appear to be entirely convinced he would sign according to ESPN’s Stephen A Smith. Why? Because the Thunder are ready to offer George a max contract. “Folks are not so sure Paul George is coming to L.A,” Smith said. “From what I’m being told, Sam Presti and the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to back up the Brinks truck for Paul George. They’re going to offer him the max. Because they’re going to offer him the max, combined with the fact that Russell Westbrook shows him a lot of love and they seem to get along pretty well and they’ve got a future together. Paul George is the sentimental type, and as a result it’s going to be hard for him to pull away from that and the relationship with Russell Westbrook.” George is from Greater Los Angeles, and signing with the Lakers would mean being closer to family. That, coupled with the fact his wife also would like to be in L.A, according to Smith, will create a roadblock when it comes to deciding between the Lakers and Thunder.

I don't really care personally. If George decides to stay in OKC for the money, knowing that Melo is Melo and that the team can't win as constructed, he's not a guy I want in LA. I'd rather the team build as they have through the draft, adding short-term free agents to bridge the gap to the next free agency period. They could conceivably pursue guys like Kawhi, Klay, Dray, and/or Jimmy Butler next summer. If one of these kids blossoms before then, the contract status will probably prevent adding two max deals, but one should still be an option. Regardless, I'm fine with continuing the building process.
 

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Randle was in a contract season, could very well have been fools gold.

If anyone should know that, it would be the coaching staff that works with him on a daily basis. He was even benched by Walton for a period, which seemed to refocus him. Dismissing an emerging player as "it might have been fools gold" is foolish and/or just looking for an excuse not to pay him. They scouted him, drafted him, coached him up and developed him, resisted trading him, and now they should just let him go?
 

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I stopped listening to Stephen A a long time ago. I will stick to Woj and that’s pretty much it. Stephen A is worthless

"I have it on very good authority from someone close to Durant that the Lakers are his #1 choice"- SAS, 2015/2016

Summer 2016: Free agency opens, KD doesn't even meet with the Lakers.


Yep. The bolded part checks out
 
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