Kawhi wants out of San Antonio

flyerhawk · Jun 17, 2018

msgkings322 said:
They would be quite impressive to make it to the WCF

I was pointing out that they would be very good in the West and could probably make it to the WCF IF THEY WERE IN THE West. And lose.

flyerhawk · Jun 17, 2018

Gman said:
My point remains.

The NBA is changing... the old rules may not apply as strictly.

Stevens is on the cutting edge of positionless basketball and analytics... he's building something new, and on the lead wave of it.

Arguing that this Celtics team is the once in a generation team that defies the historical trends of the NBA is about as counter-factual as you can get.

Is it possible? Of course. But it isn't very likely.

DJ · Jun 17, 2018

Gman said:
Your words are full of traditional, time tested NBA wisdom. No doubt.

Wasn't that long ago that most folks swore Golden State would never win a title... because "you can't win a NBA championship based on 3 pt shooting" and similar, time tested wisdom.

The Mike D'Antoni coached Phoenix Suns were the main reason for that.

Gman · Jun 17, 2018

flyerhawk said:
Arguing that this Celtics team is the once in a generation team that defies the historical trends of the NBA is about as counter-factual as you can get.

Is it possible? Of course. But it isn't very likely.

I'll stand by what I said... only time will tell, of course.

Agree to disagree.

wildturkey · Jun 17, 2018

flyerhawk said:
Kevin Garnett was 1st team All-NBA and DPOY of the year when they won their championship. Paul Pierce was All-NBA that year as well.

Kyrie has made one All-NBA team in his career so far. He's a surefire All-Star level player. He isn't elite.

The Pistons are the go to example whenever someone wants to point to a team without an elite player that won the championship. And there is a reason for that. Because they are the ONLY example in the last 40 years, if not longer, of a team that won a championship without a player that has won an MVP.

Just like with Hayward not making all star teams, the same applies to Kyrie and awards. He's of that caliber whether he gets the award or not. There's only so many slots.

Paul Pierce the year before the big 3 and the year they won (I included both since his numbers will dip after Big 3. Trying to give reference that he's still skilled):
07: 25pts, 5 rebs, 4 assits, 21.7 PER
08 (title): 19 pts, 5 rebs, 4 assists, , 19.6 PER

Kyrie the last 2 season:
17: 25 pts, 3 rebs, 6 assists, 23.0 PER
18: 24 pts, 4 rebs, 5 assists, 25.0 PER

They're at a similar level.

HurricaneDij39 · Jun 18, 2018

ChiefsLakers67 said:
guess you can continue to hope, blubber boy...

Actually, I kind of want "LeClown" out of the eastern conference at this point. Thank you for your concern, though. You still have the writing skills of a five-year-old boy that just discovered social media for the first time...

Black Adam · Jun 18, 2018

HurricaneDij39 said:
Actually, I kind of want "LeClown" out of the eastern conference at this point. Thank you for your concern, though. You still have the writing skills of a five-year-old boy that just discovered social media for the first time...

ranks right up there with your lack of a real life...

DO keep trying, though, fat boy.... :heh:

ManuForever · Jun 18, 2018

Mecca said:
@TheKlaw

Vecsey has been relegated to clown car status.

But, have you seen this reported elsewhere?

Real Estate can be sold.

But, if he goes back after all this back and forth nonsense....

I will be convinced he is indeed a simpleton being led around by the nose.

Peter Vecsey: Combined with the incontrovertible fact that Kawhi’s placid personality is a perfect fit in San Antonio and torturously unfit to cope with the media madness of Los Angeles and New York — even Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Miami —I’m convinced a reconciliation is imminent. " The fact Kawhi is building a home in San Antonio for himself, and one, I’m told, for his mother, somewhat bolsters that conclusion … though athletes’ custom-made residences certainly don’t guarantee an iota of permanency.

Peter Vecsey: In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi’s fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I’ve often promoted: “You know, I’m only as good as my source. What can you tell me?” Enough so that I’m thoroughly disinclined to believe Kawhi and Pop can’t patch things up, predominantly because their relationship isn’t in need of a large patch. From what I’m told, they’ve never exchanged harsh words or gone off on each other. A single problem existed last season that would not go away: Kawhi’s caregivers and doctors felt his repaired quad wasn’t entirely healthy when he returned 28 games into the season. After nine, some very effective, minute-monitored games, they insisted he return to rehab.

Yeah I don't believe a word that guy says and the fact that it's not being reported elsewhere kinda says a lot.

To me, the only way Kawhi stays is if he sits down with Pop by himself and they have a talk. There's a solid chance that all of this is just Kawhi's camp and Kawhi isn't saying anything. But if it is true, why did Kawhi not say anything to the Spurs yet? It's kinda sketchy.

I always will want him back on the team cause of the type of talent he is, but if this is gonna be a problem any time he gets injured (which, if this is chronic, will be a lot probably), I don't want him back. He brings too much drama with him, and it isn't really even his fault. His agents or whatever are too much.

As far as him wanting to be traded to New York or LA, where the spotlight will ALWAYS be on him, I don't buy it. A guy as quiet as him who barely talks to the media suddenly wants to be the center of attention? No way. His people want him there, not Kawhi himself. And I'm convinced of that.

tlance · Jun 18, 2018

wildturkey said:
Just like with Hayward not making all star teams, the same applies to Kyrie and awards. He's of that caliber whether he gets the award or not. There's only so many slots.

Paul Pierce the year before the big 3 and the year they won (I included both since his numbers will dip after Big 3. Trying to give reference that he's still skilled):
07: 25pts, 5 rebs, 4 assits, 21.7 PER
08 (title): 19 pts, 5 rebs, 4 assists, , 19.6 PER

Kyrie the last 2 season:
17: 25 pts, 3 rebs, 6 assists, 23.0 PER
18: 24 pts, 4 rebs, 5 assists, 25.0 PER

They're at a similar level.

I disagree.

Superstars are first team all NBA guys.

Kyrie is not there. He might slide into a third team, possibly even a second if things go perfectly. But he isn't a superstar and his knees may be unreliable.

tlance · Jun 18, 2018

msgkings322 said:
What made the Detroit team work was they had one of the best coaches of all time. And they beat a team with a bunch of superstars who had won a couple titles previously....hmmm....

Stevens is the best coach today. And the Warriors are a bunch of superstars who have won a couple titles previously.

It's facile to dismiss the Celtics outright. It would help to have a superstar. But it is not strictly necessary if they have enough other stuff in their favor.

You know you sound like @Montalban sometimes?

They would be severe underdogs, and rightly so. They would need some serious Cavalier 2016 style luck to actually beat the Warriors in a series. It is always possible, but highly unlikely as I have said.

All I am saying is the the Celtics should be willing to move off of some of their considerable young assets if they have an opportunity to make their team better by acquiring a superstar. It is quite literally mind boggling that some of you are arguing this.

Raw_Bee808 · Jun 18, 2018

Report: Cavaliers have made calls to Spurs about Kawhi Leonard

msgkings322 · Jun 18, 2018

tlance said:
You know you sound like @Montalban sometimes?

They would be severe underdogs, and rightly so. They would need some serious Cavalier 2016 style luck to actually beat the Warriors in a series. It is always possible, but highly unlikely as I have said.

All I am saying is the the Celtics should be willing to move off of some of their considerable young assets if they have an opportunity to make their team better by acquiring a superstar. It is quite literally mind boggling that some of you are arguing this.

You seem to have a problem with differing opinions

Sparhawk · Jun 18, 2018

msgkings322 said:
You seem to have a problem with differing opinions

"I can't believe that would happen on an anonymous message board", said no one ever....

flyerhawk · Jun 18, 2018

msgkings322 said:
You seem to have a problem with differing opinions

Weren't you the guy saying that the Warriors were just going to roll through everyone at the start of the playoffs?

Rock Strongo · Jun 18, 2018

What can the Celtics trade for Kawhi Leonard?

PEOPLESCHICKEN · Jun 18, 2018

broncosmitty said:
Shirley you must be serious.

I am serious!

And don't Call me Shirley!

CitySushi · Jun 18, 2018

tlance said:
You know you sound like @Montalban sometimes?

They would be severe underdogs, and rightly so. They would need some serious Cavalier 2016 style luck to actually beat the Warriors in a series. It is always possible, but highly unlikely as I have said.

All I am saying is the the Celtics should be willing to move off of some of their considerable young assets if they have an opportunity to make their team better by acquiring a superstar. It is quite literally mind boggling that some of you are arguing this.

I'm with @msgkings322 here on this one. I get what you're saying about the superstar angle, but the Celtics present a unique problem for the Warriors in that they can provide multiple great wing athletes to help match up against the Warriors. The biggest difference between them and Houston is that every one of them can score too. It's not like they have Ariza or Tucker having to hang out in the corner. They have legitimate scorers at every position. The Celtics can attack the Warriors defense in multiple ways.

They are clearly a threat as constructed and healthy.

msgkings322 · Jun 18, 2018

flyerhawk said:
Weren't you the guy saying that the Warriors were just going to roll through everyone at the start of the playoffs?

Nope. That was last year. This year I said it would be tougher and next year will be the toughest yet. If they fall short next year I won't be at all surprised. I also don't think they can keep the Fab Four together past maybe 2 more years. I'm thinking Draymond is the most likely to not be here at the start of the 2020-21 season.

Raw_Bee808 · Jun 18, 2018

Mr. Multiple Sources has soken..

tlance · Jun 18, 2018

CitySushi said:
I'm with @msgkings322 here on this one. I get what you're saying about the superstar angle, but the Celtics present a unique problem for the Warriors in that they can provide multiple great wing athletes to help match up against the Warriors. The biggest difference between them and Houston is that every one of them can score too. It's not like they have Ariza or Tucker having to hang out in the corner. They have legitimate scorers at every position. The Celtics can attack the Warriors defense in multiple ways.

They are clearly a threat as constructed and healthy.

So you don't think they should try to get a superstar?

Because while this year's team would have matched up better with GS than Cleveland did, they still probably would have gotten swept. Because the Celtics were awful on the road and by game 3 Iggy was back.

There is a really large gap, and Kyrie and Hayward aren't closing it. Kawhi or LeBron just might.

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