NFL Considering Flagging Teams for 15 Yards If they Kneel During Anthem

Irish7478 · May 23, 2018

Ron G said:
Easily rectified, those who kneel, ejected from the game with loss of pay. Do it twice, suspended for the season.

Not a chance the owners would agree to that.

PEOPLESCHICKEN · May 23, 2018

To the blicks pouting and claiming social justice:

YOU GET PAID TO PLAY A FUCKIG GAME!!!! A GAME

*Fact the majority of those kneeling are black. Its a fact so don't accuse me of racism.

Fountain City Blues · May 23, 2018

Battlelyon · May 23, 2018

Mangler · May 23, 2018

There is A Moose at 3rd said:

why did that take 2 fucking years?

Duffman · May 23, 2018

Teams used to stay in the lockerroom anyways for the anthem before the NFL was paid a shit ton of money to show fake patriotism, this new rule is fine. As long as owners don’t make a fuss if half their team is on the field and half in the lockerroom.

Ron G · May 23, 2018

Duffman said:
Except the NFL doesn’t have any rules about kneeling during the anthem, even if you’re private sector you can’t just make up a rule about something like this out of the blue and then fine employees if they don’t follow it.

The players didn’t agree to this when they signed their contract and it’s not in the CBA meaning it’s not a rule that would hold up if they got sued.

Not true sir. You boss can make a rule virtually any time. For example, "NO MORE SMOKING ON COMPANY PROPERTY" starting in 1 minute.
I have always had an issue with Professional Sports Teams (and other profession I am sure ) as to how job in which each player has an individual contract based on ability, also is represented by a union. It seems that common sense says those two things are mutually exclusive but common sense is not so common anymore. The punch press operator in the factory makes the same as the punch press operator working next to him. The union plumber makes the same as all the other union plumbers in his local. But I suspect that there are no identical contracts for any position in baseball, hockey, basketball, and football. The best example of the way it should be done is golf.

Duffman · May 23, 2018

Ron G said:
Not true sir. You boss can make a rule virtually any time. For example, "NO MORE SMOKING ON COMPANY PROPERTY" starting in 1 minute.

Take that rule and apply it to a union(which the NFL is). If your Union agreed with the company on where employees could smoke if they were on company property you can't just have a boss say "fuck your union I'm making this new rule" and have it go through. The NFL and Player's association agreed that players would be on the field for the national anthem but they never specified that they had to stand. This is where the issue is because the NFL just created a new rule that wasn't agreed too by the players union and the people handling those players contracts.

AlaskaGuy · May 23, 2018

Team Trump wins in anthem dispute, prods NFL owners to do right thing

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JohnShadows · May 23, 2018

Duffman said:
Teams used to stay in the lockerroom anyways for the anthem before the NFL was paid a shit ton of money to show fake patriotism, this new rule is fine. As long as owners don’t make a fuss if half their team is on the field and half in the lockerroom.

It's all bullshit, the stand-up-for-anthem thing. I turn on the tube to watch the game, man. Not sure why it became requisite to see some display of political fervor. Though word is the league took money from the military to institute this.

GhostOfPoverty · May 25, 2018

Duffman said:
Except the NFL doesn’t have any rules about kneeling during the anthem, even if you’re private sector you can’t just make up a rule about something like this out of the blue and then fine employees if they don’t follow it.

The players didn’t agree to this when they signed their contract and it’s not in the CBA meaning it’s not a rule that would hold up if they got sued.

That's not how union contracts work. Union contracts outline specific protections and provisions for the workers that are members of the union in addition to whatever standard government work place laws are in place for a given area. Union contracts do not act as a means of banning employers from establishing new work place rules, so long as the new rules abide by the government mandated work place laws and the CBA as it is written at the time.

Ron G · May 25, 2018

1. Only a jerk would kneel during the Anthem. For all the issues about the Flag representing everyone, the National Anthem was specifically written and is sung as the tribute to the soldiers who have died defending freedom. Any disrespect during the Anthem is direct insult to those soldiers. The Anthem has nothing to do with how blacks are treated by the police. If they want to protest against the police, then do so in front of the police station. If they want to protest the flag there are places to do that, but not during the National Anthem.

2 .The NFL is not forcing the players to protest behind doors. Those players can, on their own, time protest anywhere they want.

3. It is true that the policy overwhelmingly targets black players. But since the league is made up of 70% blacks that would be true of any policy that the NFL puts in place. But if that is an argument, then most rules in Hockey are anti-white, baseball's are anti-Hispanic, basketball's anti-black, and of course all rules in curling are anti white.

Ron G · May 25, 2018

Duffman said:
Take that rule and apply it to a union(which the NFL is). If your Union agreed with the company on where employees could smoke if they were on company property you can't just have a boss say "fuck your union I'm making this new rule" and have it go through. The NFL and Player's association agreed that players would be on the field for the national anthem but they never specified that they had to stand. This is where the issue is because the NFL just created a new rule that wasn't agreed too by the players union and the people handling those players contracts.

The NFL just changed the rule on what a catch is. The Union was not asked to sign off on this, and it was not part a previous contract. If the NFL decides that pushing a referee is no longer just a ejection and fine, they can make it a suspension for another game without consulting the union.

Duffman · May 25, 2018

Ron G said:
The NFL just changed the rule on what a catch is. The Union was not asked to sign off on this, and it was not part a previous contract. If the NFL decides that pushing a referee is no longer just a ejection and fine, they can make it a suspension for another game without consulting the union.

None of those are political issues, this is. I’m not saying it will happen but if a player gets fined and ultimately suspended if he keeps doing it he could take it to court and win. Depending on the judge they could see his case as legitimate. Or they rule against him. But the fact is the NFL opened themselves up to a potential lawsuit if someone cares bright to try.

Tom Brady just took his case to court, same with Zeke. The NFL has been in and out of the courts before it wouldn’t be a shock if they ended up there again.

Ron G · May 26, 2018

Duffman said:
None of those are political issues, this is. I’m not saying it will happen but if a player gets fined and ultimately suspended if he keeps doing it he could take it to court and win. Depending on the judge they could see his case as legitimate. Or they rule against him. But the fact is the NFL opened themselves up to a potential lawsuit if someone cares bright to try.

Tom Brady just took his case to court, same with Zeke. The NFL has been in and out of the courts before it wouldn’t be a shock if they ended up there again.

Is there any part of "an employer is not bound by the same rules as the government when it come to free speech on company time" that you don't understand.
If you were to give a political speech on break time in the lunch room or parking lot and the employer said no more of that or you will be fired, do you think you would win? The NFL can ban any signs coming into the park while approving other signs.

Debbie Does · May 26, 2018

AlaskaGuy said:
How long has the NFL sang the National Anthem?

Since the end of World War II. Baseball has done it since World War I. It proved to be immensely popular with the fans.

Debbie Does · May 27, 2018

They could make kneeling an Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty. Then if the same player gets called for Unsportsmanlike Conduct again, he gets ejected from the game.

Let's see which asshole can control himself for a whole game so he doesn't get tossed.

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