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Where do the Lakers go from here...?

trojanfan12

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Is PG really worth the max contract?

He's a great player, but I don't see him as a max contract guy.

He's worth a max. He's an elite level 2 way player. You have to have those in today's game. I don't know that he's a #1 option team leader type guy.

But he'd make a darn nice #2 for a guy who is. And yes, you give a guy like that a max deal.

He plays the same position as Hart, so if they sign him, they will be limiting Hert's development to some extent.

Hart will be a very good 1st or 2nd guy off the bench player. I seriously doubt that he will reach PG's level though.
 

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Yeah, timing is going to be pretty crucial. If Lebron drags out his FA like he usually does, they will have to let Randle go and hope Lebron picks them.

I think how quickly PG makes his decision will also be very important. If he decides to go to the Lakers quickly, it may speed up Lebron's decision a bit because we know Lebron isn't coming to the Lakers by himself.
Did you know the Lakers could have signed Randle for 12 mil per?

Hindsight and all that...because who knew he'd have such a good year?

But, I think he'd be easy to unload at that price.






The Lakers had the opportunity to lock in Randle before the season on an extension starting at $12.4 million, the amount of his cap hold, according to a person privy to the stalled negotiations.

The team wasn't ready to commit to Randle over the possibility of landing two stars this summer.

Los Angeles Lakers' Top 2018 Free-Agency and NBA Draft Targets
 

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Did you know the Lakers could have signed Randle for 12 mil per?

Hindsight and all that...because who knew he'd have such a good year?

But, I think he'd be easy to unload at that price.






The Lakers had the opportunity to lock in Randle before the season on an extension starting at $12.4 million, the amount of his cap hold, according to a person privy to the stalled negotiations.

The team wasn't ready to commit to Randle over the possibility of landing two stars this summer.

Los Angeles Lakers' Top 2018 Free-Agency and NBA Draft Targets

Didn't know that. Would have been nice to be able to get assets for him. Oh well, like you said...hindsight.
 

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I just don't see it that way. Nothing says they can't hold on to that cap space for next year when it should be a deeper FA class.

Obviously, it would be preferable to at least land PG. But it's certainly not the end of the world if they don't.

What would be a failure is if they struck out on max guys and then overpaid a couple of 2nd tier guys.

You're not wrong for feeling that way but it could be argued that the Lakers could have waited to make that move. If you sacrifice Randle, Clarkson and Nance and come away with only a late 1st then I can't say that is a success. It's definitely a question worth asking. Given that, and recent history in free agency for the Lakers, I think it's a big deal if the Lakers strike out under this new Magic/Pelinka regime.
 

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Definitely Kuzma at the 4. He punishes 4's with his athleticism. It honestly depends on what the rest of the roster looks like. As tlance pointed out, veterans would line up to play with this team. Kuzma could be your 6th man or your 4 with Hart as your 6th.

Hart really developed with the playing time he got when Ball was hurt. He's showing he could be a really solid role player.
 

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You're not wrong for feeling that way but it could be argued that the Lakers could have waited to make that move. If you sacrifice Randle, Clarkson and Nance and come away with only a late 1st then I can't say that is a success. It's definitely a question worth asking. Given that, and recent history in free agency for the Lakers, I think it's a big deal if the Lakers strike out under this new Magic/Pelinka regime.

Trading those guys helped create more cap space. That's very valuable in today's NBA.

If they strike out sign a few plan B guys on 1 year deals and it would basically roll over to next summer when they could go after an even deeper FA class....

PS: I think they'll get at least one really good player this summer. Wether it be a FA or in a trade I honestly don't know. I firmly believe players are taking note of what Magic and the FO are doing. Unlike in short Buss' days.
 

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You're not wrong for feeling that way but it could be argued that the Lakers could have waited to make that move. If you sacrifice Randle, Clarkson and Nance and come away with only a late 1st then I can't say that is a success. It's definitely a question worth asking. Given that, and recent history in free agency for the Lakers, I think it's a big deal if the Lakers strike out under this new Magic/Pelinka regime.

Definitely can be argued. However, without sacrificing those 3 players, they don't have the cap space they need this off-season. I think the reason for sacrificing Nance and Clarkson at the time they did was because the Cavs needed to make a change right then and the Lakers wanted a first round pick. So, timing more than anything.

Randle is a bit of an unusual case, imo. When the season started, I don't think anyone expected him to make the leap that he did. Considering the Lakers plans have been to clear space for max guys since before Magic and Pelinka took over, he basically played so well that he has likely priced himself out of LA.

To me, whether or not it's a big deal if they strike out depends on why they struck out.

If it's because they were selling the wrong things and basically trying to say..."We're the Lakers, here's your contract. Sign here". Rather than talking basketball, how they plan to win and how each FA fits into those plans...Then that would indicate that they didn't learn much from the Short Buss era.

This is a small max guy class. With Boogie's Achilles injury, the only truly max guys (at least that I'd wan the Lakers signing) are Lebron and PG. Boogie would be okay if there are assurances that he'll be back to at least very close to what he was before the injury.

Also, the team is very young. Max guys may not want to commit until there's a little better idea of what they can become.
 

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Definitely can be argued. However, without sacrificing those 3 players, they don't have the cap space they need this off-season. I think the reason for sacrificing Nance and Clarkson at the time they did was because the Cavs needed to make a change right then and the Lakers wanted a first round pick. So, timing more than anything.

Randle is a bit of an unusual case, imo. When the season started, I don't think anyone expected him to make the leap that he did. Considering the Lakers plans have been to clear space for max guys since before Magic and Pelinka took over, he basically played so well that he has likely priced himself out of LA.

To me, whether or not it's a big deal if they strike out depends on why they struck out.

If it's because they were selling the wrong things and basically trying to say..."We're the Lakers, here's your contract. Sign here". Rather than talking basketball, how they plan to win and how each FA fits into those plans...Then that would indicate that they didn't learn much from the Short Buss era.

This is a small max guy class. With Boogie's Achilles injury, the only truly max guys (at least that I'd wan the Lakers signing) are Lebron and PG. Boogie would be okay if there are assurances that he'll be back to at least very close to what he was before the injury.

Also, the team is very young. Max guys may not want to commit until there's a little better idea of what they can become.

I want no part of Boogie. He may recover from the achilles injury, but the injury between his ears is the bigger issue.
 

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So far, so good. His stats are very similar to George's rookie stats across the board:

Paul George Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Josh Hart Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

To me the difference is that Hart is 2 years older than PG was in his rookie year. Based on that, if he was likely to be as good as PG, his stats would be a bit better than PG's were.

Having said that, I didn't look real close and I know Hart was a bit of a surprise, so playing time could be part of the reason. Maybe he didn't get as much of it early in the season as PG did in his rookie year?

I'd love for Hart to end up being as good or better than PG. I just don't think he will be.
 

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I want no part of Boogie. He may recover from the achilles injury, but the injury between his ears is the bigger issue.

That's how I felt. But he's actually been a pretty solid citizen since he left Sacramento. That has me softening my stance a little.

In fact, I was actually really starting to warm to the idea before he blew his Achilles.
 

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, I think it's a big deal if the Lakers strike out under this new Magic/Pelinka regime.
not only that, but how long do you want to wait?

if they strike out this summer thats would likely makea 7th straight year without winning a playoff game.

if Magic and Pelinka go out into free agency and come up empty handed that is a pretty harsh rebuke at this point.
 

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Why do I get the distinct feeling that because the Lakers have a stiffy for the aforementioned FA's and potential trade dudes, that they are going to eff the Randle situation all up and not get any assets for him? They should have signed Randle ages ago and let the FA thing happen on its own. Losing Clarkson, Lance, AND Randle for basically a late 1st rounder is just plain stupid.
 

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So far, so good. His stats are very similar to George's rookie stats across the board:

Paul George Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Josh Hart Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Cmon man.

You are too good a poster to think Hart could be on a Paul George like track.

Hart was a finished product coming out a Villanova having played a major role at the highest collegiate level possible. George was a high end prospect who had a lot to work on.

You simply can't compare rookie numbers for these too.
 

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The only thing they need to worry about is getting that other star/all-star player to pair with PG and that young core. PG is already a Laker, i can almost guarantee that. Only thing I see is him going to pair up with Lebron in Cleveland in some sign and trade but that is a longshot. He wil be a Laker
 

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I still cannot believe Short Buss and Kupchak actually thought signing Mozgov and Deng to 4 year deals worth a combined almost 34 million a year was a good idea.

Honestly it has to go down as one of the dumbest moves i can remember- like the Cavs drafting Bennett.

the Lakers- a team that can really push itself in free agency- spends almost 35 million a year for 4 years- between a 1/4 and a 1/3 of their cap space- on Luol Deng and Timo Mozgov.

If not for Short Buss the Lakers would be in such better shape and i thank him for it.

Unfortunately Magic and Pelinka were able to rid themselves of Mozgov's albatross deal and have started to get stuff straightened out.
 
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I still cannot believe Short Buss and Kupchak actually thought signing Mozgov and Deng to 4 year deals worth a combined almost 34 million a year was a good idea.

Honestly it has to go down as one of the dumbest moves i can remember- like the Cavs drafting Bennett.

the Lakers- a team that can really push itself in free agency- spends almost 35 million a year for 4 years- between a 1/4 and a 1/3 of their cap space- on Luol Deng and Timo Mozgov.

If not for Short Buss the Lakers would be in such better shape and i thank him for it.

Unfortunately Magic and Pelinka were able to rid themselves of Mozgov's albatross deal and have started to get stuff straightened out.

Shut the fuck up. You're talking shit again
 

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I still cannot believe Short Buss and Kupchak actually thought signing Mozgov and Deng to 4 year deals worth a combined almost 34 million a year was a good idea.

Honestly it has to go down as one of the dumbest moves i can remember- like the Cavs drafting Bennett.

the Lakers- a team that can really push itself in free agency- spends almost 35 million a year for 4 years- between a 1/4 and a 1/3 of their cap space- on Luol Deng and Timo Mozgov.

If not for Short Buss the Lakers would be in such better shape and i thank him for it.

Unfortunately Magic and Pelinka were able to rid themselves of Mozgov's albatross deal and have started to get stuff straightened out.


yup, darn it. No more short Buss or Kup. might just suck for the rest of the NBA...
 
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