Where do the Lakers go from here...?

trojanfan12 · May 22, 2018

True Lakers Fan said:
FYI - I am not sold on LeBron coming to the Lakers and I don't think it would be a disaster if the Lakers don't sign Paul George - At this point the Lakers are getting better and it's the matter of time for when quality agents will talk to the team - Especially with a winner like Magic Johnson in charge

I wouldn't call it a disaster if they don't get PG. If they strike out in FA, they will sign some Brooke Lopez/KCP types and continue to develop the kids.

If they do that, they could actually end up with even more cap space in the next off-season because they should be able to get rid of Deng as an expiring contract.

trojanfan12 · May 22, 2018

tlance said:
The Mavs (or somebody comparable) are going to offer Randle a max contract at 12:01 on July 1st. They will force the Lakers to decide on Randle before they even have a chance at LeBron.

You aren't getting Randle for $15 million.

I can see the Mavs offering him a max, especially if Cuban thinks it will screw the Lakers. But I'd be mildly surprised if anyone else offers much more than $15 million.

Either way, if the Lakers get what they want this off-season, the only way they can keep him is if he wants so badly to stay in LA that he accepts a vet min. type deal.

OutlawImmortal · May 22, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
I wouldn't call it a disaster if they don't get PG. If they strike out in FA, they will sign some Brooke Lopez/KCP types and continue to develop the kids.

If they do that, they could actually end up with even more cap space in the next off-season because they should be able to get rid of Deng as an expiring contract.

I disagree since they lost a couple pieces in Clarkson and Nance to clear that cap space for this offseason. IMO it's a failure if they don't at least sign PG.

trojanfan12 · May 22, 2018

OutlawImmortal said:
I disagree since they lost a couple pieces in Clarkson and Nance to clear that cap space for this offseason. IMO it's a failure if they don't at least sign PG.

I just don't see it that way. Nothing says they can't hold on to that cap space for next year when it should be a deeper FA class.

Obviously, it would be preferable to at least land PG. But it's certainly not the end of the world if they don't.

What would be a failure is if they struck out on max guys and then overpaid a couple of 2nd tier guys.

shopson67 · May 22, 2018

OutlawImmortal said:
I disagree since they lost a couple pieces in Clarkson and Nance to clear that cap space for this offseason. IMO it's a failure if they don't at least sign PG.

That trade also cleared cap space for next summer as well. No need to force the acquisition, just maintain the flexibility.

shopson67 · May 22, 2018

I don't see this as the typical Lebron wait and see offseason. If he wants LA, he is going to need to make a move relatively quickly, knowing the window on Randle. Dallas also may not be the only team in on him; they're just the first to make it known publicly. Also, just because Dallas (or another team) makes that offer right away, it depends on when Randle actually signs it.

Dallas is also going to be chasing Cousins and Jordan, and they only have cap space to sign one outright without renouncing their free agents. They may not pull that Randle trigger right away, as he is probably a fall-back plan out of those 3.

Retroram52 · May 22, 2018

WiggyRuss said:
I read something about this quad injury that is actually concerning and makes it possible that it keeps coming back--- a "chronic" condition- which is exceedingly rare for a muscle- but is possible.

From what I have read the muscle gets denser and like balls up basically never fully heals and as its anticipating the same movements again and again it never really gets loose and healthy.

From what I have read its not just a pulled muscle- its how his body has reacted to it- and its developed into a chronic condition.

While it might get okay for a while- there is certainly no guarantee that it could not pop right back up again- especially in a guy like a pro athlete who puts such excruciating strain on those muscles almost every single day for months and months on end

for the first time- i might be a little worried if i was going after KAwhi from what i have read recently as- it would not surprise me if this type of injury pops up again down the road even if it is technically healed.

This sounds alot like Kawhi is developing fibromyalgia which begins with the calcification of the tendon and the muscle leading to an overactive nerve which attempts to continually contract a dense impenetrable muscle. Fibro is a chronic condition that makes walking painful.

If he is, then this trade would be a complete screw job on the Lakers. The further we go with this idea and the more that gets discovered about this guy, the more it appears this trade would be a complete disaster for the Lakers and huge present for the Spurs. Maybe Popvich's hatred for the Lakers is that bad that he would love nothing better than to screw them over by get a king's ransom for damaged goods.

True Lakers Fan · May 22, 2018

tlance said:
The Mavs (or somebody comparable) are going to offer Randle a max contract at 12:01 on July 1st. They will force the Lakers to decide on Randle before they even have a chance at LeBron.

You aren't getting Randle for $15 million.

Rumors are that Mavs intend to offer Randle a max contract which will be over-paying him, but in another year - he will be worth a max contract. I think he is one to two years from being worth that though

WiggyRuss · May 22, 2018

True Lakers Fan said:
Rumors are that Mavs intend to offer Randle a max contract which will be over-paying him, but in another year - he will be worth a max contract. I think he is one to two years from being worth that though

i will be SHOCKED if Randle gets a max deal

@tlance want to wager on that? seems you are convinced he will

True Lakers Fan · May 22, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
I can see the Mavs offering him a max, especially if Cuban thinks it will screw the Lakers. But I'd be mildly surprised if anyone else offers much more than $15 million.

Either way, if the Lakers get what they want this off-season, the only way they can keep him is if he wants so badly to stay in LA that he accepts a vet min. type deal.

If $20 million is considered a max contract - then I wouldn't object to much to that, but no way in hell Randle is worth 25 to 30 million

True Lakers Fan · May 22, 2018

WiggyRuss said:
i will be SHOCKED if Randle gets a max deal

@tlance want to wager on that? seems you are convinced he will

I'm not convinced he will. I think if the Lakers were smart, they would wrap him up now while they can, but the Mavs will be offering him 20 million - you can count on that

True Lakers Fan · May 22, 2018

Retroram52 said:
This sounds alot like Kawhi is developing fibromyalgia which begins with the calcification of the tendon and the muscle leading to an overactive nerve which attempts to continually contract a dense impenetrable muscle. Fibro is a chronic condition that makes walking painful.

If he is, then this trade would be a complete screw job on the Lakers. The further we go with this idea and the more that gets discovered about this guy, the more it appears this trade would be a complete disaster for the Lakers and huge present for the Spurs. Maybe Popvich's hatred for the Lakers is that bad that he would love nothing better than to screw them over by get a king's ransom for damaged goods.

If Kawhi is developing fibromyalgia, I as an owner would not be interested in signing him.

tlance · May 22, 2018

WiggyRuss said:
i will be SHOCKED if Randle gets a max deal

@tlance want to wager on that? seems you are convinced he will

Nah.

Because I don't think he should.

But, there are so many poorly run teams out there. Some of them with cap space to do this. I will be surprised if he doesn't get a max considering how well he played and that any interested team will have to overpay tonhet the Lakers not to match.

That is how restricted free agency usually goes down.

Mecca · May 22, 2018

WiggyRuss said:
i will be SHOCKED if Randle gets a max deal

@tlance want to wager on that? seems you are convinced he will

He didn't float that Idea.

I did.

I said it way before that article was written and it's only based on the Mavs.

They will overpay.

Not sure any other team will to that extent.

We will know which way they intend to go after the draft.

If they take Bamba, they aren't chasing Deandre, Boogie.

ANGELAKERAMS · May 22, 2018

Is PG really worth the max contract?

He's a great player, but I don't see him as a max contract guy.

He plays the same position as Hart, so if they sign him, they will be limiting Hert's development to some extent.

I think, if they let Hart start at SG next year, he will produce similar numbers to PG. I know that may sounds crazy, but look what he did the last 4 games of the season. He has the talent to do it.

If you want to put him at SF then you limit Ingram's development. And that only works if they don't get LJ because that's his position ( unless they plan on playing him at PF which I don't see because it limits the space he has to operate ).

PG and LJ make sense together, but if all they can get is PG alone, he's not worth the max and risk of player development because he's not a missing piece type player, he's just a really good player.

tlance · May 22, 2018

ANGELAKERAMS said:
Is PG really worth the max contract?

He's a great player, but I don't see him as a max contract guy.

He plays the same position as Hart, so if they sign him, they will be limiting Hert's development to some extent.

I think, if they let Hart start at SG next year, he will produce similar numbers to PG. I know that may sounds crazy, but look what he did the last 4 games of the season. He has the talent to do it.

If you want to put him at SF then you limit Ingram's development. And that only works if they don't get LJ because that's his position ( unless they plan on playing him at PF which I don't see because it limits the space he has to operate ).

PG and LJ make sense together, but if all they can get is PG alone, he's not worth the max and risk of player development because he's not a missing piece type player, he's just a really good player.

Hart projects as a solid role player.

I think PG is good, not great. But you don't pass up on signing a player like him because you are worried about Josh Hart's development.

Hart is not as good as George on either end, and he almost surely won't ever be. There are many players capable of producing numbers when basically the entire depth chart at his position is injured. If Hart were anywhere near the player PG is, he would have started over Kentavious Caldwell freaking Pope.

flyerhawk · May 22, 2018

ANGELAKERAMS said:
I think, if they let Hart start at SG next year, he will produce similar numbers to PG. I know that may sounds crazy, but look what he did the last 4 games of the season. He has the talent to do it.

I'm not making kind of prediction on how good a player Hart will be but using 4 meaningless games at the end of an NBA season to measure progress of a player is more than a little ridiculous.

larryjohn · May 22, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
I wouldn't call it a disaster if they don't get PG. If they strike out in FA, they will sign some Brooke Lopez/KCP types and continue to develop the kids.
If they do that, they could actually end up with even more cap space in the next off-season because they should be able to get rid of Deng as an expiring contract.

But Randle will probably make a quicker decision than Lebron -- so the Lakers may not know their cap space situation before Randle signs.

Mecca · May 22, 2018

larryjohn said:
But Randle will probably make a quicker decision than Lebron -- so the Lakers may not know their cap space situation before Randle signs.

Randle can agree to terms on July 1.

But, he can't sign until July 6.

They have 3 days after that to match.

trojanfan12 · May 22, 2018

larryjohn said:
But Randle will probably make a quicker decision than Lebron -- so the Lakers may not know their cap space situation before Randle signs.

Yeah, timing is going to be pretty crucial. If Lebron drags out his FA like he usually does, they will have to let Randle go and hope Lebron picks them.

I think how quickly PG makes his decision will also be very important. If he decides to go to the Lakers quickly, it may speed up Lebron's decision a bit because we know Lebron isn't coming to the Lakers by himself.

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