Where do the Lakers go from here...?

Shanemansj13 · May 19, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
IF (and given his injury, it's a huge IF) there are assurances that Boogie can be as good or real close to it as he was before the injury, I could see Lebron at least being interested in playing with Boogie if the Lakers decided to take a shot at him (which likely only happens if PG stays in OKC or goes somewhere else). Lebron's never played with a big that has Boogies skills.

Yeah, the Lakers need a big man and they could keep their young core. How much does he want to rely on this young frontcourt. I think he would rather have a 2-way wing player that can takeover games but Boogie is definitely an option too

trojanfan12 · May 19, 2018

Shanemansj13 said:
Well if you go PG and Lebron you won’t have to give up anything but you still have to make the cap fit. If you get Lebron and Kawhi, you have to give up some of that young core but you get another true star next to Lebron. So it just depends on what they want and what the Spurs want in return for Kawhi

Yeah, if the Lakers go the Lebron/PG route, they lose Randle, but keep Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma and Hart.

If they go the Lebron/Kawhi route, they likely lose Ingram and Ball, but keep Randle, Kuzma and Hart. They might also lose Kuzma or Randle if the Spurs are greedy.

Black Adam · May 19, 2018

Shanemansj13 said:
Yeah, the Lakers need a big man and they could keep their young core. How much does he want to rely on this young frontcourt. I think he would rather have a 2-way wing player that can takeover games but Boogie is definitely an option too

we actually agree. an athletic center would be perfect. now whether Boogie fits that bill after his injury is another matter...

The Oldtimer · May 19, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
Yeah, if the Lakers go the Lebron/PG route, they lose Randle, but keep Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma and Hart.

If they go the Lebron/Kawhi route, they likely lose Ingram and Ball, but keep Randle, Kuzma and Hart. They might also lose Kuzma or Randle if the Spurs are greedy.

Just a question, but do you really want the Lakers to go the LeBron route? IMO I think that would be a big mistske. I know that LeBron stays in great shape, but at 34 (come December) it would be a big mistake. The Lakers need to build around young players, JMHO.

The Oldtimer · May 19, 2018

tlance said:
If you are really about rings and championships, LeBron and Kawhi is the way to go.

Short term!!!!

trojanfan12 · May 19, 2018

The Oldtimer said:
Just a question, but do you really want the Lakers to go the LeBron route? IMO I think that would be a big mistske. I know that LeBron stays in great shape, but at 34 (come December) it would be a big mistake. The Lakers need to build around young players, JMHO.

I don't think it's a mistake at all. For one, they would be getting the best player in the world.

It's also not like they're going to be signing him to some 10 year Albert Pujols contract that will hurt them for years after he's no longer "that guy" anymore. The most they could sign him for would be 4 years. So, even if he only has say, 2 years as the best player in the world, unless he falls off a cliff, you still have him as a top 5 or so player in the world for 2 more years.

Also, regardless of who they bring in with Lebron (Paul George or Kawhi), they still keep 3 or 4 of their young guys, it's just a matter of which ones.

trojanfan12 · May 19, 2018

The Oldtimer said:
Short term!!!!

Not really. Paul George is only 28 and Kawhi is only 26. Both have many years left of playing at a very high level and you only have Lebron for a maximum of 4 years.

Mecca · May 19, 2018

Shout out to @shopson67 who called this shit months ago.

flyerhawk · May 19, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
If they go the Lebron/Kawhi route, they likely lose Ingram and Ball, but keep Randle, Kuzma and Hart. They might also lose Kuzma or Randle if the Spurs are greedy.

Ultimately it will come down to who will actually make a run for Kawhi, if he is actually available.

If it is just the Lakers then Ingram, Ball, draft pick may be enough.

But if the Celtics and Sixers make a run for him, the price is going to be much higher for whomever gets him.

trojanfan12 · May 19, 2018

flyerhawk said:
Ultimately it will come down to who will actually make a run for Kawhi, if he is actually available.

If it is just the Lakers then Ingram, Ball, draft pick may be enough.

But if the Celtics and Sixers make a run for him, the price is going to be much higher for whomever gets him.

Yep. I agree. Personally, I'll be a bit surprised if he ever actually is available.

flyerhawk · May 19, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
Yep. I agree. Personally, I'll be a bit surprised if he ever actually is available.

You and I have been in agreement about that for some time.

It's possible but I would be shocked if he is dealt.

True Lakers Fan · May 19, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
Yeah, if the Lakers go the Lebron/PG route, they lose Randle, but keep Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma and Hart.

If they go the Lebron/Kawhi route, they likely lose Ingram and Ball, but keep Randle, Kuzma and Hart. They might also lose Kuzma or Randle if the Spurs are greedy.

Personally, I don't think LeBron is a good fit for the Lakers. The Lakers have a lot of young talent that will get better only if they continue in the same direction and LeBron handles the ball too much. Now if the argument for LeBron's camp comes to the Lakers and says he will share the ball, let the point guard contribute his share and get everyone involved without the Lakers having to trade their young core - then I think that could work - but I am not going to hold my breath. I think LeBron who is 33 years old has the potential to become a liability - unless he agrees to only a two year contract with perhaps a team option for a third and I just can't visualize LeBron agreeing to all of that - I think he wants a lot more control then what Magic Johnson is willing to give him and there is the problem with signing the LeBron

If the Lakers could sign Paul George, perhaps resign Brook Lopez and Isaiah Thomas, the Lakers would be a playoff team and then wait till next year to add another player.

trojanfan12 · May 19, 2018

True Lakers Fan said:
Personally, I don't think LeBron is a good fit for the Lakers. The Lakers have a lot of young talent that will get better only if they continue in the same direction and LeBron handles the ball too much. Now if the argument for LeBron's camp comes to the Lakers and says he will share the ball, let the point guard contribute his share and get everyone involved without the Lakers having to trade their young core - then I think that could work

Folks have been saying since he left Miami that he wants to lessen his load. If that's true, then the Lakers are a pretty good fit because they don't have any ball dominant players.

If he does join the Lakers, I'd expect that he will play within the offense and have the autonomy to "take over" when necessary.

True Lakers Fan said:
I think LeBron who is 33 years old has the potential to become a liability - unless he agrees to only a two year contract with perhaps a team option for a third and I just can't visualize LeBron agreeing to all of that - I think he wants a lot more control then what Magic Johnson is willing to give him and there is the problem with signing the LeBron

The longest contract that the Lakers can sign him to would be for 4 years. Barring a major injury (which he's never had) he likely has at least 2 years at his current level. After that, unless he just falls off a cliff, he'll still likely be a top 5 or so player for 2 more years.

Definitely worth the risk, imo, especially since the only young guy they would lose is Randle.

DJ · May 19, 2018

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DJ · May 19, 2018

Retroram52 said:
I respectfully disagree here TJF12. At some point, using the grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side approach can disrupt what you have already built to the long-term detriment of the club. Have not the Lakers already done this multiple times in the recent past?

Kawhi might be that good but so what. Trading potential assets who may be just as good or better in a couple of years that Kawhi is now to obtain a guy who may or may not improve the Lakers present developed level of success in the win/loss column may be just as a bad a crap shoot as the draft.

Is trading an Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, and a number one for Kawhi going to be the move that now continues the improvement in wins and losses we have already attained with the young core? Maybe. The chances are good that if Magic did do that trade, we'd have to wait to get more talent to put around Kawhi so that we could get back to the level we already have.

Losing that much talent to get some of it back in Kawhi is just a fools-gold mentality and I for one implore the Lakers to continue with the GS/Icon's model of building your own talent and dynasty from the draft while judiciously adding a few more pieces rather than shooting for the stars with one guy and losing the young talented core responsible for the success you have already developed.

It's been 5 years without playoffs hoping the kids can develop.

It's time to add a max FA or 2 to see if they can change the course of the franchise.

DJ · May 19, 2018

tlance said:
And anything built around Ingram and Ball as your franchise players probably won't get you there either.

The Lakers are currently in a great spot because they have 3 things:

Young assets
Cap sPace
LA

The cap space will go away as players like Randle sign their 2nd contracts. The young assets may cease to be tradeable after they sign those contracts and before you know it, your "young talent" will turn into a bunch of overpaid Otto Porter types.

They can build a great team. If Ball and Ingram are the face, I got news for you. They are likely to be good, not great.

If you are really about rings and championships, LeBron and Kawhi is the way togo.

I'd prefer Leonard and Cousins to be honest or James and Cousins.

Retroram52 · May 19, 2018

Here is a thought. The Lakers should float the trade of Deng for Gasol and Ingram and Ball for Kawhi. GAsol says he wants to play three more years and that trade would be a great addition of a former Laker who could then retire as one. Then we can add PG and LeBron as max players, keep Randle, select Ball's brother in the draft to take his place, and voila, everyone is happy.

Wamu · May 19, 2018

trojanfan12 said:
If he were coming to the Lakers by by himself, I'd agree. But he isn't. It will be with PG or another max player. That, plus what the Lakers already have would put him on a much better team than the Cav are now.

The Cavs are awful w/o LeBron.

OutlawImmortal · May 19, 2018

DJ said:
I'd prefer Leonard and Cousins to be honest or James and Cousins.

We don't know how Cousins will react to the Achilles injury. He doesn't exactly have Kobe's drive. Giving him a max contract is more of a gamble now than it was pre-injury.

Magic has also stated that the goal is to get as many "positionless" players as possible. In other words, guys who can play most if not all positions like PG, KL and LJ. I believe that is the best recipe for a future championships. I just don't see acquiring KL and LJ being all that likely, but anything is possible in this era of free agency.

Wamu · May 19, 2018

Retroram52 said:
Here is a thought. The Lakers should float the trade of Deng for Gasol and Ingram and Ball for Kawhi. GAsol says he wants to play three more years and that trade would be a great addition of a former Laker who could then retire as one. Then we can add PG and LeBron as max players, keep Randle, select Ball's brother in the draft to take his place, and voila, everyone is happy.

Papa Ball would like this idea. Then he could spend all of next year running his big mouth about how the Lakers messed up getting rid of Lonzo. Magic's job could soon be on the line. He better do everything right.

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