Michigan working on "lifetime contract" with Harbaugh

Innermind · May 16, 2018

Across The Field said:
Why??

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AD Warde Manuel + Flint water = lifetime contracts for everybody.

4down20 · May 16, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Um....that's just blatantly false. If Michigan beats OSU in 2016, they finish 1st in the division....

This post is full of lame.

If you weren't a shitty poster, you wouldn't suck so bad.

7Samurai13 · May 16, 2018

4down20 said:
This post is full of lame.

If you weren't a shitty poster, you wouldn't suck so bad.

Michigan State was undefeated last year if you take away our three losses.

RobBase · May 16, 2018

Across The Field said:
He also beat Ohio State.

Good times.

Across The Field · May 16, 2018

RobBase said:
Good time.

Now it's right.

Wamu · May 16, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The problem is, you're comparing success goals in taking over an extremely healthy OSU program to success goals in taking over a broken Michigan program. Of course Urban was able to do well quickly. Not counting Fickel, Urban took over a program that was already winning 11+ games a year. The guy before him got fired for other things not performance things. It's unreasonable to compare the timelines.

A healthy Ohio State program? Tressel got to Columbus in 2001. In 2000 the Buckeyes went 8-4, in '99 they went 6-6. That's not exactly taking over a "healthy" program. I had to throw that in there because you only mentioned Meyer even though I mentioned Meyer, Tressel & Saban.

Also it's funny how you completely ignored the fact I gave you 3 different examples of coaches turning a program around in 3 or 4 years & you only mentioned 1 of them. Jimmy Jam's entering his 4th year. So how many more years will you have excuses? Because excuses are all you have when you want to ignore Yer Coach hasn't done anything of note really. But, but, but he's 1 of the best HC's in all of CFB right?

Now I will ask you again (not that you'll answer me) why is every other CFB coach judged on their actual coaching resume but not Jimmy Jam?

ericd7633 · May 16, 2018

Across The Field said:
Now it's right.

Chuckled at work reading this. Don't get me fired damnit. Lol.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · May 16, 2018

Wamu said:
A healthy Ohio State program? Tressel got to Columbus in 2001. In 2000 the Buckeyes went 8-4, in '99 they went 6-6. That's not exactly taking over a "healthy" program. I had to throw that in there because you only mentioned Meyer even though I mentioned Meyer, Tressel & Saban.

Also it's funny how you completely ignored the fact I gave you 3 different examples of coaches turning a program around in 3 or 4 years & you only mentioned 1 of them. Jimmy Jam's entering his 4th year. So how many more years will you have excuses? Because excuses are all you have when you want to ignore Yer Coach hasn't done anything of note really. But, but, but he's 1 of the best HC's in all of CFB right?

Now I will ask you again (not that you'll answer me) why is every other CFB coach judged on their actual coaching resume but not Jimmy Jam?

Except Tressel still took over a healthy program. A bad year or two doesn't mean OSU was an unhealthy program, it means it had a bad year. In just 1998 OSU tied for a share of the B10 title. And in the four years prior to the two seasons mentioned, OSU had 10+ wins each year. Hardly an unhealthy program.

So basically you mentioned Urban and Saban. Arguably two of the best coaches in our lifetime. Urban just continued OSU's dominance. Saban is really the only direct comparison to what Harbaugh walked into at Michigan and Saban is literally the best coach to ever have coached CFB. AKA -- an unreasonable expectation or standard.

I could also probably come up with a number of examples of elite coaches who needed more than 3 years to really get things going. See Dabo at Clemson.

Wamu · May 16, 2018

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Except Tressel still took over a healthy program. A bad year or two doesn't mean OSU was an unhealthy program, it means it had a bad year. In just 1998 OSU tied for a share of the B10 title. And in the four years prior to the two seasons mentioned, OSU had 10+ wins each year. Hardly an unhealthy program.

So basically you mentioned Urban and Saban. Arguably two of the best coaches in our lifetime. Urban just continued OSU's dominance. Saban is really the only direct comparison to what Harbaugh walked into at Michigan and Saban is literally the best coach to ever have coached CFB. AKA -- an unreasonable expectation or standard.

I could also probably come up with a number of examples of elite coaches who needed more than 3 years to really get things going. See Dabo at Clemson.

But how did Harbaugh take over a bad program? Okay Hoke was a disaster of a HC. But JH took Hoke's players & doubled the win total his 1st year. Your team has never had an issue getting elite players. Don't use the excuse of a bad program when the real problem was Hoke was a bad coach.

The reason I mentioned Meyer & Saban is some meeeechegan fans insist JH is the same caliber of coach (I already said that though). And I'll see your Dabo comment (great call by the way) & raise you a Jimbo Fisher. His 4th year @ FSU he won a Natty. And lost 4, 4, 2 & then 0 games by year # 4.

How important is this year for Harbaugh in your opinion?

Across The Field · May 16, 2018

Wamu said:
But how did Harbaugh take over a bad program? Okay Hoke was a disaster of a HC. But JH took Hoke's players & doubled the win total his 1st year. Your team has never had an issue getting elite players. Don't use the excuse of a bad program when the real problem was Hoke was a bad coach.

The reason I mentioned Meyer & Saban is some meeeechegan fans insist JH is the same caliber of coach (I already said that though). And I'll see your Dabo comment (great call by the way) & raise you a Jimbo Fisher. His 4th year @ FSU he won a Natty. And lost 4, 4, 2 & then 0 games by year # 4.

How important is this year for Harbaugh in your opinion?

The real problem was they gave Hoke shit for a budget to build his staff. His entire coaching budget was probably around what they're currently paying their DC.

7Samurai13 · May 16, 2018

Across The Field said:
The real problem was they gave Hoke shit for a budget to build his staff. His entire coaching budget was probably around what they're currently paying their DC.

Probably as much as they are paying their Passing Coach. But the passing coach is making almost as much as Hoke so...

FSU rules · May 16, 2018

Harbaugh needs to deliver this year. Talking playoff appearance.

He needs to bring excitement to the program this year otherwise it will be rough

7Samurai13 · May 16, 2018

FSU rules said:
Harbaugh needs to deliver this year. Talking playoff appearance.

He needs to bring excitement to the program this year otherwise it will be rough

Problem is many Michigan fan here are perfectly content with being a 3 loss team every year, the same thing that had them calling for Carr to be fired and ultimately had the University shove him out the door.

Michigan isn’t Oklahoma State, Miami, Washington State, or Northwestern where 3 loss season are considered a victory. They should be in the Playoffs or bust camp but the fans are still drinking the Maize and Blue koolaid.

Across The Field · May 16, 2018

Harbaugh has sold them on his potential, which is why he's got such a long leash. There's no question that he would've been canned after last year if he was a lot of other coaches in that position at a blue blood program.

RobToxin · May 16, 2018

I think this is great!

No matter what, Harbaugh at Michigan is tons of fun for message board trolls.

And, if he gets a win over Ohio State and even better if Urban Meyer is still there when he does.....

this will be one very entertaining message board.

7Samurai13 · May 16, 2018

Across The Field said:
The real problem was they gave Hoke shit for a budget to build his staff. His entire coaching budget was probably around what they're currently paying their DC.

Brady Hoke made $2.3 million for 2014
Don Brown made $1.3 million for 2017
Pep Hamilton and Tim Drevno made $1.15 million each for 2017.

outofyourmind · May 16, 2018

FSU rules said:
Harbaugh needs to deliver this year. Talking playoff appearance.

He needs to bring excitement to the program this year otherwise it will be rough

IKR
Why give him a lifetime contract.
It's insane.

Like Texas aTm with Jimbo

olympicoscar · May 16, 2018

So how much are they willing to pay him each year if he stays away from Michigan?

Across The Field · May 17, 2018

7Samurai13 said:
Brady Hoke made $2.3 million for 2014
Don Brown made $1.3 million for 2017
Pep Hamilton and Tim Drevno made $1.15 million each for 2017.

Good lord. Clearly Hoke wasn't some amazing coach but wow, that's shitty.

MAIZEandBLUE09 · May 17, 2018

Wamu said:
But how did Harbaugh take over a bad program? Okay Hoke was a disaster of a HC. But JH took Hoke's players & doubled the win total his 1st year. Your team has never had an issue getting elite players. Don't use the excuse of a bad program when the real problem was Hoke was a bad coach.

The reason I mentioned Meyer & Saban is some meeeechegan fans insist JH is the same caliber of coach (I already said that though). And I'll see your Dabo comment (great call by the way) & raise you a Jimbo Fisher. His 4th year @ FSU he won a Natty. And lost 4, 4, 2 & then 0 games by year # 4.

How important is this year for Harbaugh in your opinion?

The "problem" was a lot of things. Michigan had a lot of defensive talent from those Hoke recruiting classes but really didn't have a ton on offense. From 2015-2018 Michigan had 19 players drafted, of those 12 were defensive players. And one of the 7 offensive players taken was Iowa transfer Rudock. Which illustrates the point I'm making -- Hoke was a bad coach, but he was also bad at filling the needs of the team. Michigan has had serious holes on offense since Harbaugh arrived, especially on the line, and while Harbaugh has addressed a lot of that through recruiting, it's still in the process of being fixed; especially considering his first class at Michigan was a wash because he had two weeks to put it together. I think the biggest ding I have on Harbaugh is not being able to have a QB ready last year behind Speight. Peters or McCaffrey should have been ready and they weren't.

Harbaugh hasn't gotten to his 4th year yet so I'm not sure how to compare him to Jimbo. But I keep saying this and I'll say it again, I have no doubt that given enough time Harbaugh will get things churning at Michigan.

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