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Where do the Spurs go from here?
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Not going to rehash the whole Harden/Kobe thing. But, I did address the PPG issue with the true shooting comparison. Not my fault that argument went completely over your head. Impossible to debate with someone who doesn't understand the topic. So yes, you are ignorant.
As for the worst poster thing? I do go back and forth between you and Dorian on that. It is a tough call, but you have clearly surpassed him IMO with your latest antics. Congrats!
Go ahead and get the last word if you want. I am done with you. And least until the next time you post something else ridiculously ignorant.
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Sources around the situation have been pretty clear that the Spurs feel like they can repair the relationship, mainly because they can offer the so-called Super Max contract extension.
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My point was, it has to be the right package. To trade him just for the sake of getting something in return would create more problems than it solves. To take on some other team's dead salary is counterproductive. The Pacers were actually quite fortunate to get Oladipo and Sabonis when they did, because there's not an especially great deal of value in a disgruntled star with only a year left on his contract.
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I don't know. Kawhi seems like a different kind of cat. If I'm a Spurs fan and the super max is what I'm pinning my hopes on for keeping him...I'm pretty nervous.
Before @WiggyRuss comes in here saying..."Nobody is walking away from a super max contract" lol.
A super max is a helluva a lot of money...but so is a max.
Kawhi seems like he might just be a guy who would walk away from a super max if he feels like he'd be happier elsewhere.
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It is Kawhi Leonard. His value is far higher than George's was last summer. The Spurs might not get a package that turns out as well as Oladipo and Sabonis have, but they will certainly get a package worth substiantially more than the market value for Oladipo and Sabonis at the time of the trade.
They aren't trading a superstar for dead salary. They will get many offers to choose from and the likely return if it goes that far will certainly be a collection of young talent and picks.
The Spurs haven't been playoff mainstays for 20 years out of luck. They are one of the best managed franchises in professional sports. They will get adequate ( not equal) return for Kawhi if forced to deal him.
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Yeah, he's a different kind of Dude.
Based on everything that has been reported, I just don't think their situation is beyond repair.
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Agree.
But, given his loss, Pop coming back isn't a guarantee either.
Maybe he's the type that throws himself into work to deal with the pain.
I guess we will see...
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well- also have to consider- the fact that in California- there is the HIGHEST State Income Tax in the entire USA. Texas is one of the few states that has ZERO State Income Tax.
So that is a fairly decent change-----
When you consider- Super-Max vs. Max--- and NO State Income tax vs. Highest State Income tax in the USA- the amount of money does begin to be quite different.
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I guess the point is that you are assuming Kawhi chooses money over happiness.
I won't assume that. Especially when happiness comes with over $30 million a year as a consolation prize. And if he signs a short term deal like LeBron and KD have done, he can re-up with a supermax in his new home in a couple more years.
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I don't either. I expect them to get things worked out. If he stays, it'll be because he and the Spurs sat down, let cooler heads prevail and worked things out. I don't think he'd stay just to get a supermax.
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First off, who said anything about California? There are plenty of places he can go and get a max deal if he doesn't want to stay in San Antonio.
At that level of income, taxes aren't going to mean all that much. It's not like the taxes are going to change his lifestyle. With the money he'd get off of a max deal, there isn't anything that he can afford in Texas that he can't in another state.
As tlance points out, he may be a guy who chooses happiness over money, especially if it just means delaying the supermax for a couple of seasons.
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oh- i didnt realize you werent talking about hte Lakers- ithought you were talking about him maybe going there
and just for general info-- the top tax rate for California is 13.3%.....the rate in Texas if of course 0%
In a 200 million dollar contract thats a difference of almost 27M just in state taxes.....its pretty significant. That does not even take into account buying in everything is also really expensive with a nation high sales tax rate of 7.5%...
26 million of of 200 million certainly isnt nothing......then add on the diffrence between a max and a super max and you are talking about a significant amount of money.
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Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong...I'd love the Lakers to get him. But, while they certainly could put together a solid package, there are other teams that could put together better ones. So about the only way Kawhi gets to the Lakers is if he forces his way there by letting any other trade partners know he won't re-sign with them (and I still think someone would bring him in as a rental and hope he says). Or waiting until he becomes an FA.
I realize the tax situation, my argument isn't that he wouldn't keep more of his money playing in another state, it's that at his income level...it's not going to change his lifestyle.
I am well aware of California's taxes, I live here. I have some former co-workers who moved to Texas and periodically try to talk me into moving there because of how much farther their money goes compared to California.
For regular folks like us...the income tax difference is significant. At Kawhi's income level, there's nothing he can afford in Texas, that he can't in California.
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Fair assumption to make but...Pop is coaching Team USA till 2020. I doubt he stops coaching the Spurs just to come back for Team USA. In fact, Pop will be the one leading the "all hands on deck" meeting they have scheduled with Kawhi in the off-season. Again, fair assumption to make that Pop leaves, but I don't see it personally.
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Its just crazy what these guys pay in taxes though man---- just saying generally
say Paul George signs a 200M dollar contract in LA-- over the course of that contract he will pay:
10% his agent (20M)
13.3% in state tax (27M)
38% in federal tax (76M)
3-5% in local tax (8M)
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Just taxes and agent fees takes his take-home pay down to 69M dollars.
Thats really pretty crazy when you think about it.
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Oh, I agree. It's pretty crazy. Most of them, at least the smart ones, have folks who manage their money for them and find ways to save them money on taxes...but even at that, it's crazy how much of their income goes to taxes, etc.
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1)Players try and play for NO STATE INCOME TAXES in Florida and Texas.
2)Players try to play for someplace warm and sunny.
3)Players try to play somewhere they can win and contend right away.
4)Players try to play for a recognized franchise of excellence.
San Antonio has had some issues attracting free agents because they are always in salary cap issues having big name/big contracts for the last 20 years (Robinson, Duncan, Gino, Parker).
Teams with a lot of cap are usually young teams loaded with rookie deals not vets like SA.
SA has never really had a stripped down young team with lots of salary cap room.
When they did finally have some space, they landed the biggest name is Lamarcus Aldridge.
2)Players try to play for someplace warm and sunny.
3)Players try to play somewhere they can win and contend right away.
4)Players try to play for a recognized franchise of excellence.
San Antonio has had some issues attracting free agents because they are always in salary cap issues having big name/big contracts for the last 20 years (Robinson, Duncan, Gino, Parker).
Teams with a lot of cap are usually young teams loaded with rookie deals not vets like SA.
SA has never really had a stripped down young team with lots of salary cap room.
When they did finally have some space, they landed the biggest name is Lamarcus Aldridge.
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And make up for it with larger shoe and merchandise sales.
You think Shaq went to LA in 1996 because they were 'contenders'?
Money is easily made in Los Angeles with the spotlight on you.
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