Seahawks 2018 offseason thread

HaroldSeattle · Mar 15, 2018

seahawksfan234 said:
Seattle Seahawks Salary Cap | Over the Cap

That may have been before the Mingo signing/some of the restricted free agents that the Seahawks gave contracts to.

Like McDougal

seahawksfan234 · Mar 15, 2018

JMR said:
Yep, that probably cut into the 30. 20 sounds closer then, with another $7M probably coming when Avril is cut.

Correct.

I wonder why he hasn't been cut yet.

seahawksfan234 · Mar 15, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
Like McDougal

Forgot about that. So I think the OverTheCap numbers are correct right now.

HaroldSeattle · Mar 15, 2018

seahawksfan234 said:
Correct.

I wonder why he hasn't been cut yet.

It comes down to him having a physical. He’ll want to delay it in hopes of passing it.

seahawksfan234 · Mar 15, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
It comes down to him having a physical. He’ll want to delay it in hopes of passing it.

Doesn't really make a difference for the Seahawks though, right?

He wasn't making much of a difference before he got hurt. I'd imagine he'd get cut regardless.

HaroldSeattle · Mar 15, 2018

seahawksfan234 said:
Doesn't really make a difference for the Seahawks though, right?

He wasn't making much of a difference before he got hurt. I'd imagine he'd get cut regardless.

Comes down to difference of about a million dollars which seems like small change to the Seahawks, but with a tight cap ever penny matters I guess.

The Seahawks cutting DE Cliff Avril may not save as much cap space as fans expect

seahawksfan234 · Mar 15, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
Comes down to difference of about a million dollars which seems like small change to the Seahawks, but with a tight cap ever penny matters I guess.

The Seahawks cutting DE Cliff Avril may not save as much cap space as fans expect

Ahh, makes sense then.

poewelch84 · Mar 15, 2018

If the Seahawks are serious about trading Thomas I'm sure the 49ers can accommodate them.

seahawksfan234 · Mar 15, 2018

poewelch84 said:
If the Seahawks are serious about trading Thomas I'm sure the 49ers can accommodate them.

Playing against Sherman and Thomas twice a year doesn't sound pleasant.

But I'm sure I don't need to remind you of that fact.

HaroldSeattle · Mar 15, 2018

seahawksfan234 said:
Playing against Sherman and Thomas twice a year doesn't sound pleasant.

But I'm sure I don't need to remind you of that fact.

Ignore him.

poewelch84 · Mar 15, 2018

seahawksfan234 said:
Playing against Sherman and Thomas twice a year doesn't sound pleasant.

But I'm sure I don't need to remind you of that fact.

No it isn't pleasant, but for the niners it makes sense. They could move Ward back to slot CB as he can't stay healthy playing safety or CB full time and you get the best safety in football that you have cap space to resign or tag this year or next.

blstoker · Mar 15, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
@blstoker clear this up for us.

If Chancellor Retires:

1) The remaining $7.5 million of his signing bonus accelerates immediately and counts against the cap.

2) Chancellor's $6.8 million salary this season is guaranteed - and as such counts against the cap.

3) Chancellor's up to $500,000 game bonuses are not guaranteed - and will not count against the cap.

4) The Seahawks could seek redress for lost cap space due to non compliance to the contract. They can request the return of the remaining cap money. The Hawks could also withhold the payout of his salary for each game he does not appear in - gaining that much back on their cap space after each game (exactly as if he was holding out). I do not expect any of this to happen if Chancellor retires.

I do not expect Chancellor to retire. If he retires - there is a chance that he will not get any of the $6.8 million base salary he is going to be paid this season - even if he doesn't play a snap. Also, if he forces Seattle to release him, then they have to pay him the $12 million injury buy out money that is guaranteed by his contract. It makes no sense for Chancellor to retire or for Seattle to release him at any point this season.

HaroldSeattle · Mar 15, 2018

blstoker said:
If Chancellor Retires:

1) The remaining $7.5 million of his signing bonus accelerates immediately and counts against the cap.

2) Chancellor's $6.8 million salary this season is guaranteed - and as such counts against the cap.

3) Chancellor's up to $500,000 game bonuses are not guaranteed - and will not count against the cap.

4) The Seahawks could seek redress for lost cap space due to non compliance to the contract. They can request the return of the remaining cap money. The Hawks could also withhold the payout of his salary for each game he does not appear in - gaining that much back on their cap space after each game (exactly as if he was holding out). I do not expect any of this to happen if Chancellor retires.

I do not expect Chancellor to retire. If he retires - there is a chance that he will not get any of the $6.8 million base salary he is going to be paid this season - even if he doesn't play a snap. Also, if he forces Seattle to release him, then they have to pay him the $12 million injury buy out money that is guaranteed by his contract. It makes no sense for Chancellor to retire or for Seattle to release him at any point this season.

Exactly what I thought, but wanted to hear from our expert on these matters. :suds:

JMR · Mar 15, 2018

blstoker said:
If Chancellor Retires:

1) The remaining $7.5 million of his signing bonus accelerates immediately and counts against the cap.

2) Chancellor's $6.8 million salary this season is guaranteed - and as such counts against the cap.

3) Chancellor's up to $500,000 game bonuses are not guaranteed - and will not count against the cap.

4) The Seahawks could seek redress for lost cap space due to non compliance to the contract. They can request the return of the remaining cap money. The Hawks could also withhold the payout of his salary for each game he does not appear in - gaining that much back on their cap space after each game (exactly as if he was holding out). I do not expect any of this to happen if Chancellor retires.

I do not expect Chancellor to retire. If he retires - there is a chance that he will not get any of the $6.8 million base salary he is going to be paid this season - even if he doesn't play a snap. Also, if he forces Seattle to release him, then they have to pay him the $12 million injury buy out money that is guaranteed by his contract. It makes no sense for Chancellor to retire or for Seattle to release him at any point this season.

But isn't the 2018 base salary of $6.8M already guaranteed?

EDIT: that was in response to the part about him possibly not getting any of the 2018 base salary if he retired.

blstoker · Mar 15, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
Exactly what I thought, but wanted to hear from our expert on these matters.

As far as I understand th einjury money in his contract - Chancellor may not have to retire from this injury. It would cost more to cut him than his salary each year - and he gets a $12 million injury guarantee after the Super Bowl each season - which would mean that he is protected every year from the Seahawks cutting him as long as his neck is never cleared to play.

blstoker · Mar 15, 2018

JMR said:
But isn't the 2018 base salary of $6.8M already guaranteed?

Yes.

His current Cap hit is $6.8 million base, $2.5 million Signing Bonus and (up to) $500,000 game bonus for a total cap hit of $9.8 million.

His retirement hit is $6.8 million base and $7.5 million Singing bonus for a total cap hit of $14.3 million.

Seattle would lose $4.5 million against the cap if he retires - but could recoup some (or all) if they wished.

JMR · Mar 15, 2018

blstoker said:
Yes.

His current Cap hit is $6.8 million base, $2.5 million Signing Bonus and (up to) $500,000 game bonus for a total cap hit of $9.8 million.

His retirement hit is $6.8 million base and $7.5 million Singing bonus for a total cap hit of $14.3 million.

Seattle would lose $4.5 million against the cap if he retires - but could recoup some (or all) if they wished.

Yeah, I made an edit on that post to clarify what I was talking about -- the part where you said he may not get the $6.8M if he retired. I think that's his money at this point no matter what happens (outside of something crazy like his contract being voided by lawyers for some reason).

seahawksfan234 · Mar 15, 2018

HaroldSeattle said:
Ignore him.

I don't ignore people if they bring up a valid point.

seahawksfan234 · Mar 15, 2018

poewelch84 said:
No it isn't pleasant, but for the niners it makes sense. They could move Ward back to slot CB as he can't stay healthy playing safety or CB full time and you get the best safety in football that you have cap space to resign or tag this year or next.

Hawks are unlikely to trade within the division. 49ers would have to put together a hell of a package to get the Seahawks to trade ET within the division.

poewelch84 · Mar 15, 2018

seahawksfan234 said:
Hawks are unlikely to trade within the division. 49ers would have to put together a hell of a package to get the Seahawks to trade ET within the division.

Oh I agree more of a pipe dream on my part, Thomas is an excellent player.

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