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I suppose I see the appeal that Brian has to Pete since Pete wants to basically do what the 09 Jets did.

Control the clock by running the ball, make a few plays in the passing game, and play great defense.

But if I was a Hawk fan I'd think it's a really underwhelming hire. You have Wilson at QB so it's hard for me to believe you can't find a more creative and innovative OC that would be willing to take the job.

Pete came back to the NFL with firm idea how to be successful and if he is going to get fired he wants it to be because he did things his way. I believe his way is a winning formula. A offense with a strong running game and a QB that make things happen without to many turnovers, a strong D and good ST play. You actually see a lot of teams using the same formula in the playoffs. Vikings, Saints and Jags. A effective running game is the key and that well be the key to weather or not the Seahawks have further success.
 

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Pete came back to the NFL with firm idea how to be successful and if he is going to get fired he wants it to be because he did things his way. I believe his way is a winning formula. A offense with a strong running game and a QB that make things happen without to many turnovers, a strong D and good ST play. You actually see a lot of teams using the same formula in the playoffs. Vikings, Saints and Jags. A effective running game is the key and that well be the key to weather or not the Seahawks have further success.

It's a winning formula but a difficult formula to have long-term success with.

That's why teams like the Steelers and Patriots have transitioned into being defensive powerhouses with game management type offenses that are more dynamic with defenses that are good just not suffocating but still able to do the job in the postseason.

The QB position has such an impact on the game and longevity that's it's a far better bet to build around that then defense.

With defense the shelf life of players is shorter and you just need more players for a defense to operate at a high level. Whereas with QB you don't necessarily need to surround him with All-Pro level talent to operate at an effective level.

So ultimately I think Carroll's bet is going to wind up being a losing one. He's better off building around RW and going with a strong offense and on defense coaching guys up and fielding a pretty good defense and not chasing after a new Legion of Boom type of defense.
 

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It's a winning formula but a difficult formula to have long-term success with.

That's why teams like the Steelers and Patriots have transitioned into being defensive powerhouses with game management type offenses that are more dynamic with defenses that are good just not suffocating but still able to do the job in the postseason.

The QB position has such an impact on the game and longevity that's it's a far better bet to build around that then defense.

With defense the shelf life of players is shorter and you just need more players for a defense to operate at a high level. Whereas with QB you don't necessarily need to surround him with All-Pro level talent to operate at an effective level.

So ultimately I think Carroll's bet is going to wind up being a losing one. He's better off building around RW and going with a strong offense and on defense coaching guys up and fielding a pretty good defense and not chasing after a new Legion of Boom type of defense.
The Steelers haven’t been to the SB since becoming a offensive powerhouse and they have a embarrassment of offensive talent. In fact the Steelers haven’t been to the conference championship but once Under the present style of play. As for the Pats, they are a aberration that has the best X and O coach possibly ever. Heaven help those that think they can duplicate it.
If you look at the top ten rushing offenses in the NFL 9 out of ten are in the playoffs. So despite all the rule changes and such, running the ball well is in fact one of the keys to being a Championship team and that includes the Pats. Give RW a effect run game and you can expect a another SuperBowl championship. True story.:nod:
 

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Not a huge fan of this hire. I've heard a lot of bad things about Schottenheimer.

I didn't like Bevell, but I'm kinda worried this may be worse.
 

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Not a huge fan of this hire. I've heard a lot of bad things about Schottenheimer.

I didn't like Bevell, but I'm kinda worried this may be worse.

I agree entirely. Schottenheimer hasn't really done anything relevant in the NFL except sporting some of the worst offenses in recent memory. I have zero faith he'll be able to turn this offense around. Granted the Jets have sucked for a while, but why would Seattle hire this guy with some speculation that it will benefit our offense? Sounds like Seattle got wrapped up in the 'big' name...
 

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There are two things I want from Schott.

1. Fix the OL. I don't care if they stay with zone blocking or embrace a road grader approach. But we've spent too many resources trying to fix the line.
2. Start the game more efficiently. This will require getting Pete onboard, I think.

People that expect a new OC to come in and fundamentally change things via play calling are not realistic. They will not have a free hand. And you still need talent.
 

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We'll see I guess. I STILL look back at that second half of 15, and see Pete embracing the point guard distributor model they've talked about. Again, barring injury, we're looking at another decade of Wilson behind centre.
 

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be interesting to see who they bring in for OL and if schottenheimer will have any say in the matter
 

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Rex Ryan (coached over Schotty @ Jets) was just on B&S. The boiled down description he gave: high energy, football junkie, hyper-competitive, loyal to the HC's game plan. The Jets made it to 2 straight AFCC games with Schotty as the OC. The Jets. With Mark Sanchez as QB. Jets and Mark Sanchez....2 straight conference title games. J-E-T-S.
 

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"high energy, football junkie, hyper-competitive, loyal to the HC's game plan. "

sounds like he is right up carroll's alley.

look, its a wait and see at this point. this year is probably going to be a down year almost no matter what. i really think there's going to be a talent drain, especially on the D side but on O as well.

year 2 will really tell us what direction this team is going for the second half of wilson's career.
 

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Rex Ryan (coached over Schotty @ Jets) was just on B&S. The boiled down description he gave: high energy, football junkie, hyper-competitive, loyal to the HC's game plan. The Jets made it to 2 straight AFCC games with Schotty as the OC. The Jets. With Mark Sanchez as QB. Jets and Mark Sanchez....2 straight conference title games. J-E-T-S.

Sure there are some positives and negatives on his resume, but us fans need to give him a chance before running him out of town before he's even in town.
 

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Sure there are some positives and negatives on his resume, but us fans need to give him a chance before running him out of town before he's even in town.
Agreed. He hasn't had much to work with up to this point in the way of QB talent. And like many others have already, the first order of business just has to be figuring out the OL problem. Whoever you think the planet's best playcaller is, I think success is limited until we get something fixed up front.
 

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Agreed. He hasn't had much to work with up to this point in the way of QB talent. And like many others have already, the first order of business just has to be figuring out the OL problem. Whoever you think the planet's best playcaller is, I think success is limited until we get something fixed up front.

Exactly... It's a rarity to witness a successful offense with a lousy OL... Hope Schott can right the ship in that category... We're lacking a lot of talent on the Offensive side of the ball...
 

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We're lacking a lot of talent on the Offensive side of the ball...
I don't know about that. Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I think it's awfully tough to evaluate some of the players when our gameplan gets derailed by poor line play almost every game. I am very skeptical on our process of evaluating OL talent, but in terms of the other positions I don't know we are lacking there. Baldwin, Lockett, Richardson & Graham is a capable group of targets. Backfield? Just don't know...Carson is still an unknown. I think we all agree Prosise is talented but not durable. McKissic looks like a playmaker. If the OL can improve a little bit then I think the talent has a better chance to show itself.
 

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I don't know about that. Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I think it's awfully tough to evaluate some of the players when our gameplan gets derailed by poor line play almost every game. I am very skeptical on our process of evaluating OL talent, but in terms of the other positions I don't know we are lacking there. Baldwin, Lockett, Richardson & Graham is a capable group of targets. Backfield? Just don't know...Carson is still an unknown. I think we all agree Prosise is talented but not durable. McKissic looks like a playmaker. If the OL can improve a little bit then I think the talent has a better chance to show itself.

Outside Prosise, I guess none of the RB's on our roster gets me too excited moving forward... Obviously the OL lacks talent, so yes, it's a bit more difficult to evaluate the talent at the RB position... WR's are good but I think we need a productive, bigger WR on this roster that gets at least 40 targets... Too many speedy, small receivers... We had bigger receivers in Kearse, Lockette contributing when we made our SB run... We didn't have any contributing much this season...

Plus, moving forward, do you really think Graham and Richardson will be on this roster this coming season?
 

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Plus, moving forward, do you really think Graham and Richardson will be on this roster this coming season?
I doubt it...but my point was that group was still what we had this past couple years, and I don't think it lacks talent. It may not be the tops in the league or anything (but I think compares well to the teams that made the playoffs in the NFC) but certainly good enough to win. Cannot say the same about the OL.

RB? Yeah, I am not sure if I'm "excited" about any of them, but with Carson at least there's still a lot more to learn. I think we know what we have/had in Rawls and Lacy, and there's definitely going to be a new face or 2 at the bottom of the depth chart this off-season.
 

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Agreed. He hasn't had much to work with up to this point in the way of QB talent. And like many others have already, the first order of business just has to be figuring out the OL problem. Whoever you think the planet's best playcaller is, I think success is limited until we get something fixed up front.

Agree 100%

Without a line not much will change
 

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I doubt it...but my point was that group was still what we had this past couple years, and I don't think it lacks talent. It may not be the tops in the league or anything (but I think compares well to the teams that made the playoffs in the NFC) but certainly good enough to win. Cannot say the same about the OL.

Receivers and QB is the only place I feel we had talent on the offense the past few seasons... But like you said, the RB's didn't really stand a chance, regardless of who they were with this OL in tact...

RB? Yeah, I am not sure if I'm "excited" about any of them, but with Carson at least there's still a lot more to learn. I think we know what we have/had in Rawls and Lacy, and there's definitely going to be a new face or 2 at the bottom of the depth chart this off-season.

Guess it all boils down to what kind of RB(s), Schott/Carroll would like to have and commit to moving forward... Do the backs we have on our roster fit the mold of the new scheme? New vision? Who knows... Yes, Schott was successful in NY but he had 3 probowlers to work with on the OL in D'Brikashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold and Alan Faneca... Then having Damien Woody at RT was a bonus... We don't have anything close to resembling that kind of OL so I hope we can be successful running the ball with less talent on the OL...

One thing is for certain, it's going to make for an exciting, busy offseason with this team... There are so many directions they could go moving forward in terms of the roster...
 

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Since people have been talking about RBs, I have a few thoughts I have been kicking around.

A couple months ago Carroll stated that Rawls' issues stemmed from being too impatient and running up the linemen's backs before the hole was getting opened. So, here's a thought about why he looked so good in 2015 but hasn't since.

In 2015, Rawls was hitting holes and Lynch wasn't. What if the holes were opening very early and then closing - with Rawls being the quicker of the 2 backs at the time he was getting there when there was a hole and Lynch wasn't. Fast forward to the last 2 seasons - the holes aren't opening as quickly, hence not rewarding Rawls for getting to the line quickly like it did in 2015.

Just a thought, nothing earth shattering.
 

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Receivers and QB is the only place I feel we had talent on the offense the past few seasons... But like you said, the RB's didn't really stand a chance, regardless of who they were with this OL in tact...



Guess it all boils down to what kind of RB(s), Schott/Carroll would like to have and commit to moving forward... Do the backs we have on our roster fit the mold of the new scheme? New vision? Who knows... Yes, Schott was successful in NY but he had 3 probowlers to work with on the OL in D'Brikashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold and Alan Faneca... Then having Damien Woody at RT was a bonus... We don't have anything close to resembling that kind of OL so I hope we can be successful running the ball with less talent on the OL...

One thing is for certain, it's going to make for an exciting, busy offseason with this team... There are so many directions they could go moving forward in terms of the roster...
One thing that's a plus in the trio of Carson/Prosise/McKissic is no two are alike. It's a good blend of skills to pick and choose from based on the game situation. Still unproven to the large degree, but you have every kind of RB you need in that group (just looking at skillset).
 
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