The Official Kirk Cousins post MNF game thread .

We saw something in this game that prior to it, had me thinking that Kirk Cousins would resign here, either via a new contract or on the tag.

Now that the game is over, I'm almost completely in the @Sharkinva camp that holds the position that, in truth, neither Bruce Allen nor Dan Snyder wants Kirk here for anything more than a less than market type of contract long term or FT they have already offered him these last two or three years.

What changed my mind?........Carson Wentz......without that game breaking RB, it's just too easy to see no pathway to playoff qualification and success in which Kirk Cousins supplants both Wentz and Prescott in this division. Dak has Zeke, and Philly has Wentz, and, if we're honest, what @Sharkinva has often railed against...chasing that "elite" QB is going to be, by directive of Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen's mission going forward.

Even if this team drafts an absolute stud at RB next year, Dan Snyder is simply NOT the type to stand pat at QB while his division rivals get younger and better. This includes the NYG's, who are looking like they will be in position to draft Eli's replacement in the coming draft. Kirk is good, he fits into this system very well and puts up impressive numbers, but ask yourself, then honestly answer the question....After watching Wentz at work last night, can you honestly say that there's just no way that Dan Snyder doesn't want one of those?

We lost because the defense couldn't win on the field. I get it, your take is that Dan wants a toy like Wentz. He has one in Cousin's, the difference was the defensive play. To this point Cousin's has outperformed both Dak and Wentz. Not by a lot but still he is slightly better. Does that mean Dan won't want a shiny new toy? No. I maintain that would be foolish.

Don't know what more you could've wanted from kirk unless it would be to play WR and defense

HTTR08 said:

Don't know what more you could've wanted from kirk unless it would be to play WR and defense

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You guys are too Kirk sensitive. Not once in either thread did I disparage Kirk Cousins, but you guys write as if I did. Maybe it's because nobody wants to entertain the idea that what @Sharkinva has been saying to this point hurts your feelings when it comes to Cousins.

You HAVE to ask anyone who is a DC fan, why they were NOT impressed with the performance of C. Wentz ( you are allowed to do that you know) last night because if you were and can't imagine Dan Snyder wanting a Wentz type because we have Kirk, then you truly are Kirk-blind.

I'm of 2 minds after reading Sty's post.

I don't think we need a game breaking RB. Just one we can depend on to move the chains/score in short yardage/goal line situations. He doesn't need to have us a huge ypa, 3.8 or 9, would be cool, anything higher than that would be cooler. 20 carries, 77+ yards per game that can get it done in SY/GL situations RB. A legitimate WR and a healthy Reed would be very nice as well.
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The defense gave up the ghost far as this game went. Even KC's INT wasn't really his fault. What I now believe to be his fault though was going 3 n out on 3rd n 1, not once, but twice, one right after the other. Not that I can say it would've made a difference. Wentz is giving me a Roger Staubach vibe, unless this is simply one magical season. Cuz he did to us the exact same shit he did on opening day, use his legs to make huge plays both running n passing, but he put some stank on it tonight. But for all intents n purposes the game was effectively over after two 3 n outs. And I know our running game is whack and Kirk is legitimately our 2nd best RB behind CT who had another nice game and continues to beg the question. Why don't we use him more? I think he should be getting 6 or 7 targets or every week in the the passing game. He's legitimately our best WR on the team. Line him up out wide and if a team is insane enough to send a backer or a stiff safety out there with him. Light em up. Anywoo, back to KC.

The one that hurt was the first 3 n out. That just, I dunno, but that was it. I don't understand why Kirk went to Reed there. Look, again, this loss wasn't on Kirk and I'll concede this as well. I don't give a fuck how killer his arm talent is. If Matt Stafford can get 127 mill or whatever it is that he got while going 5-45 against .500 teams or better. Then damn skippy Kirk deserves at least that much or more. And he really does need to stop dropping that shoulder when he runs. Trent was doin too much with the 200 mill, but someone will pay you 128+ mill next year for real. I go as far as to say I wouldn't be terribly upset if it was the Skins. Who knows? Maybe in 2-4 years the Skins will have finally put together a team or get some better coaching and Cuz leads em to the SB.

Because while I think Shark is using some terrible reasoning as to why. It is plausible that Snyder and Allen want to or will 86 Cuz. Using the lack of WRs as a reason to get rid of Cuz is a terrible rationale. WR has went from a strength to the weakest aspect of the team. Every single WR on the team sans Ryan Grant has been a big disappointment. And the only reason Grant is on the list is because no one expected shit from him anyway.

Kirk is far from the biggest issue on this team, but at the same time. We'red deep into year 3 and I still don't know if the Skins can win, and I mean a SB, with Kirk. I wouldn't be opposed to the Skins signing him though. But what man. The only thing I really sure of is Snyder/Allen will fuck this up in some kinda way signing Kirk or not signing Kirk. Whatever they do, they should have done the opposite, those are some born under a bad moon mothafuckers right there.

I feel like I need to say that the running game is horrendous, guys. Not alot of protection for Kirk either. Kirk needs to start making better decisions and start leading the team. Yell at them if you have to. Dude got straight up abused in that game.

There are some posters here who continue to act as if they can't understand why Snyder/Allen don't see Kirk as their guy. That to me is no longer reasonable if these folks are blinded by stats. So I'll say it a plainly as possible.

This team needs playmakers and not facilitators period.

The very best players in the game are able to make plays, create and improvise on the fly in a manner that puts their team on a winning track. Last night we witnessed such a player at QB and his name was NOT Kirk Cousins.

Now if you still cannot understand this, take the challenge,.......Other than comments like "they are going to fuck this up."...."They are stupid or complete dumbasses." or some emotionally driven rationale, give me a better, logical, explanation that doesn't encompass what's intended when I say that Kirk is a facilitator and NOT a playmaker as described.

#@Sharkinovaisright.

Stymietee said:

There are some posters here who continue to act as if they can't understand why Snyder/Allen don't see Kirk as their guy. That to me is no longer reasonable if these folks are blinded by stats. So I'll say it a plainly as possible.

This team needs playmakers and not facilitators period.

The very best players in the game are able to make plays, create and improvise on the fly in a manner that puts their team on a winning track. Last night we witnessed such a player at QB and his name was NOT Kirk Cousins.

Now if you still cannot understand this, take the challenge,.......Other than comments like "they are going to fuck this up."...."They are stupid or complete dumbasses." or some emotionally driven rationale, give me a better, logical, explanation that doesn't encompass what's intended when I say that Kirk is a facilitator and NOT a playmaker as described.

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I don't mean this to insult anyone else on here, but Sty, you are the smartest guy on here. Not because we agree on things, but just because you aren't content with shit talking your team, you want a solution, you want an answer. I like that.

Terry Rode said:

I don't mean this to insult anyone else on here, but Sty, you are the smartest guy on here. Not because we agree on things, but just because you aren't content with shit talking your team, you want a solution, you want an answer. I like that.

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I appreciate that, but I won't claim it. In fact I won't entertain that idea because smart is relative. Thank you for the kind words though.

Stymietee said:

There are some posters here who continue to act as if they can't understand why Snyder/Allen don't see Kirk as their guy. That to me is no longer reasonable if these folks are blinded by stats. So I'll say it a plainly as possible.

This team needs playmakers and not facilitators period.

The very best players in the game are able to make plays, create and improvise on the fly in a manner that puts their team on a winning track. Last night we witnessed such a player at QB and his name was NOT Kirk Cousins.

Now if you still cannot understand this, take the challenge,.......Other than comments like "they are going to fuck this up."...."They are stupid or complete dumbasses." or some emotionally driven rationale, give me a better, logical, explanation that doesn't encompass what's intended when I say that Kirk is a facilitator and NOT a playmaker as described.

#@Sharkinovaisright.

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Kirk is a pocket passer who is starting to create plays when plays brake down. Wentz is a rare find. I’m sure Bruce understands this, after all it’s his job. Every QB needs play makers. Pryor is dog shit and is losing his job to doc. Kirk made plays that whole game. Sounds like you want a running qb, which doesn’t last in the nfl.

On that note though Kirk better start sliding more as well. Kirk is a play maker. I think Allen has just tried to get Kirk as cheap as possible. That’s what any smart business man would do, but Kirk or his agent aren’t that dumb. Now they will pay

OK @Stymietee lets pump the breaks a little.

Yes I wholeheartedly believe Dan and Bruce are going to fuck this up.

Yes I do believe that deep down Bruce and to an extension Dan are still betting against Kirk in the long run.

But it has dick all of nothing to do with if he is a playmaker or not. And for the record, Kirk has shown that he is and CAN be a playmaker.

Bruce WILL go in another direction for two reasons.... His Ego, and to please Dan. Dan likes nothing more than to stand in front of the cameras showing off his talk of the town QB. And right now it doesnt matter how good Kirk does, Wentz and Prescott are the talk of the division.


So while I agree Dan and Bruce are going to fuck this up.... Kirk Cousins IS a franchise QB and the only reason he isnt considered elite is because as a 4th round draft pick, you got to win a Lombardi to even be considered to be considered to think about calling him elite.

HTTR08 said:

Kirk is a pocket passer who is starting to create plays when plays brake down. Wentz is a rare find. I’m sure Bruce understands this, after all it’s his job. Every QB needs play makers. Pryor is dog shit and is losing his job to doc. Kirk made plays that whole game. Sounds like you want a running qb, which doesn’t last in the nfl.

On that note though Kirk better start sliding more as well. Kirk is a play maker. I think Allen has just tried to get Kirk as cheap as possible. That’s what any smart business man would do, but Kirk or his agent aren’t that dumb. Now they will pay

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What does "starting to create plays when plays break down" mean? I don't want to misinterpret what you mean by this. Is this anything like starting to get out of bed before getting in those last five minutes?

When you say that "Kirk made plays that whole game" was this as a facilitator or as a playmaker?

No I do not want, in a singular sense, a "running QB" but rather a playmaker at the position. If that's a running QB. a pocket QB or some iteration of the two doesn't scare me at all, just as long as he brings those intangible things that consistently prove to be the difference between winning and losing.

I like Kirk, he's been a steadying member at a position where previously there was not one. Said it a thousand times that I don't give a shit if Snyder offers him half ownership, just as long as they are sure about what they are getting in exchange. The difference between Kirk, Dak and Carson in our division is Dak and Carson are playmakers, Kirk as good as he is.....is a facilitator.

However, if there are going to be threads about draftable QB's in the next draft, the very real possibility of losing him next year and all associated Kirk Cousins threads, we had best come up with much better explanations than the stupidity of our front offices. That, starts with, being able to clearly see through our burgundy and gold blinders.

Stymietee said:

What does "starting to create plays when plays break down" mean? I don't want to misinterpret what you mean by this. Is this anything like starting to get out of bed before getting in those last five minutes?

When you say that "Kirk made plays that whole game" was this as a facilitator or as a playmaker?

No I do not want, in a singular sense, a "running QB" but rather a playmaker at the position. If that's a running QB. a pocket QB or some iteration of the two doesn't scare me at all, just as long as he brings those intangible things that consistently prove to be the difference between winning and losing.

I like Kirk, he's been a steadying member at a position where previously there was not one. Said it a thousand times that I don't give a shit if Snyder offers him half ownership, just as long as they are sure about what they are getting in exchange. The difference between Kirk, Dak and Carson in our division is Dak and Carson are playmakers, Kirk as good as he is.....is a facilitator.

However, if there are going to be threads about draftable QB's in the next draft, the very real possibility of losing him next year and all associated Kirk Cousins threads, we had best come up with much better explanations than the stupidity of our front offices. That, starts with, being able to clearly see through our burgundy and gold blinders.

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Well let’s see. Running for first downs when no ones open, throwing three tds and 300 yards when one of his targets couldn’t catch a cold, no running game. At this point no true number one receiver, crowder isn’t his self this year, Reed isn’t either. I don’t really know what more he could do

Sharkinva said:

OK @Stymietee lets pump the breaks a little.

Yes I wholeheartedly believe Dan and Bruce are going to fuck this up.

Yes I do believe that deep down Bruce and to an extension Dan are still betting against Kirk in the long run.

But it has dick all of nothing to do with if he is a playmaker or not. And for the record, Kirk has shown that he is and CAN be a playmaker.

Bruce WILL go in another direction for two reasons.... His Ego, and to please Dan. Dan likes nothing more than to stand in front of the cameras showing off his talk of the town QB. And right now it doesnt matter how good Kirk does, Wentz and Prescott are the talk of the division.


So while I agree Dan and Bruce are going to fuck this up.... Kirk Cousins IS a franchise QB and the only reason he isnt considered elite is because as a 4th round draft pick, you got to win a Lombardi to even be considered to be considered to think about calling him elite.

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That's the thing, where others like yourself are repeatedly saying that Dan and Bruce Will somehow fuck this up, I already believe that it has already been fucked up by them. The question that NO one here has answered is......WHY?

Until now!

There's talk now about Carson Wentz being league MVP. There's plenty of games to be played before that is decided, but there is talk right now, So before I go on let me ask you and everyone else, were you or were you not impressed with the performance of Carson Wentz last night? (and thus far on the season)

Stymietee said:

That's the thing, where others like yourself are repeatedly saying that Dan and Bruce Will somehow fuck this up, I already believe that it has already been fucked up by them. The question that NO one here has answered is......WHY?

Until now!

There's talk now about Carson Wentz being league MVP. There's plenty of games to be played before that is decided, but there is talk right now, So before I go on let me ask you and everyone else, were you or were you not impressed with the performance of Carson Wentz last night? (and thus far on the season)

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Sure, the kid has played impressive.

But are you implying that Kirk has been some how unimpressive?

Oh and for the record, I already know WHY Dan and Bruce have already fucked this up.

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I have to admit Wentz is damn good, however I’m a little concerned about part of what makes him good is being so hard to take down. I can see injuries from this. Right now though it’s working real well for him. Kirk needs to slide more as well

Terry Rode said:

I feel like I need to say that the running game is horrendous, guys. Not alot of protection for Kirk either. Kirk needs to start making better decisions and start leading the team. Yell at them if you have to. Dude got straight up abused in that game.

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Did you actually watch the game? It sure doesn't sound like it. You do realize that at one time or another last nt almost the entire OL was hurt & not on the field several times. This will tend to have a pretty big effect on protection and the running game. The OL has been providing pretty good protection this season in most games. There is not much you can do when you encounter multiple injuries on the same unit. Hopefully the injuries are not too serious.

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Well let’s see. Running for first downs when no ones open, throwing three tds and 300 yards when one of his targets couldn’t catch a cold, no running game. At this point no true number one receiver, crowder isn’t his self this year, Reed isn’t either. I don’t really know what more he could do

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Waiting for an answer to the more important question....Facilitator or Playmaker?

Stymietee said:

Waiting for an answer to the more important question....Facilitator or Playmaker?

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How about both. That’s my answer

SoCalWizFan said:

Did you actually watch the game? It sure doesn't sound like it. You do realize that at one time or another last nt almost the entire OL was hurt & not on the field several times. This will tend to have a pretty big effect on protection and the running game. The OL has been providing pretty good protection this season in most games. There is not much you can do when you encounter multiple injuries on the same unit. Hopefully the injuries are not too serious.

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I did. I saw Cousins get abused because there is no depth at the OL position. I also saw that the leading rusher had less than 40 yards and Terrell Pyror looks like a bad move at this point. I also saw Kirk Cousins make some bad decisions, once again.