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SEC Coaching Hot Seats and Dino Babers

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I'm actually a fan Babers and think kids love playing for him. But stuff like this amazes me. He's 8-11 at Syracuse! That is EIGHT AND ELEVEN! I'll give you that is much better than Syracuse has been recently but it is still 8-11 and this year isn't even over with yet. (Granted he did do well at Eastern Illinois and Bowling Green.)

IIRC, Babers went to Baylor as Briles' receivers coach when Briles got the job there. You can see some of Briles' type influence that offense...mainly in his wide receievers and QBs. The Syracuse QB reminds me of Bryce Petty throwing the ball but runs a hell of a lot better than Petty ever did.
 

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This is why some of our fans want Jeff Brohm.

We don't really have an identity on offense right now but last year our QB led the SEC in passing. We haven't been as smash mouth as people seem to think. Our OL sucks too much for that lol. If the system requires an athletic QB though then yeah it would take a while to adjust.
Again, he's got some of Briles' influence on offense. RGIII could run but the rest of the Baylor QBs haven't been real runners at all. I think Babers is willing to adjust to either type. JMO.
 

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This is why some of our fans want Jeff Brohm.

We don't really have an identity on offense right now but last year our QB led the SEC in passing. We haven't been as smash mouth as people seem to think. Our OL sucks too much for that lol. If the system requires an athletic QB though then yeah it would take a while to adjust.

I think the system works best with a dual threat, ala RGIII, Marcus Mariotta etc, but it's been done with guys who aren't quite as athletic, Luke Fulk comes to mind. I think Allen would be fine running Babers' type of system, he comes off being athletic enough, having watched him play. I don't know if he's a senior or not though.
 

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I'm actually a fan Babers and think kids love playing for him. But stuff like this amazes me. He's 8-11 at Syracuse! That is EIGHT AND ELEVEN! I'll give you that is much better than Syracuse has been recently but it is still 8-11 and this year isn't even over with yet. (Granted he did do well at Eastern Illinois and Bowling Green.)

IIRC, Babers went to Baylor as Briles' receivers coach when Briles got the job there. You can see some of Briles' type influence that offense...mainly in his wide receievers and QBs. The Syracuse QB reminds me of Bryce Petty throwing the ball but runs a hell of a lot better than Petty ever did.

It's not the record at this point, it's the attitude. The games at LSU and NC State gave the impression SU was starting to hit a stride. The Clemson game really gives ya that feeling. Add in he walked in the door saying midway through the second season, fans would begin to feel it......

...the guys got me hooked.

As mentioned, Babers turned down more money for the SU job. He likes the Dome. Babers isn't going to leave SU for any job. And the SEC is going to lose some coaches this year.

Don't be shocked when you read he's been offered an SEC slot.
 

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Which SEC AD is going to make a big play for Syracuse Head Coach Dino Babers by the end of the 2017 season.

1) Tennessee - Butch Jones is toast. Since becoming the HC, Jones is 14-19 in SEC play, 1-4 against Florida and 2-2 versus Georgia and Vanderbilt. Tennessee fell to Florida on the last play of the game , was dominated 41-0 by Georgia in Week 5. And could only muster 9 in a home loss to SC.

2) Missouri - Barry Odom. O - 4 in Conference play isn't going to cut it. Prior to taking over as the program’s head coach, Odom was considered for his work as a defensive coordinator at Missouri and at Memphis. However, the Tigers finished last season ranked 12th in the SEC in points allowed and rank last so far in 2017.

3) - Florida - Jim McElwain. 3 - 2 / 3 - 3 overall seems good enough. But Losing at home to LSU and A&M has folks talking. After GA puts a monster beatdown on the Gators this coming weekend, it will all come into focus. He's peaked and everyone see's McElwain isn't UF's future.

4) - Arkansas - Bret Bielima. 0 - 3 / 2 - 4 is as poor as it gets with the talent they have. Bielima should be ranked 3rd on this list but he has a $15.4 Million dollar buy out which may save him .... this year.
I would assume that its much more likely Mizzou is going to go after one of the other fired coaches on this list as opposed to someone like Dino Babers.
 

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I would assume that its much more likely Mizzou is going to go after one of the other fired coaches on this list as opposed to someone like Dino Babers.

Probably ... but I'm wondering if a guy like Butch Jones can't win at UT, then what's he going to do at Missouri. they better throw an offer Babers way.
 

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I'm actually a fan Babers and think kids love playing for him. But stuff like this amazes me. He's 8-11 at Syracuse! That is EIGHT AND ELEVEN! I'll give you that is much better than Syracuse has been recently but it is still 8-11 and this year isn't even over with yet. (Granted he did do well at Eastern Illinois and Bowling Green.)

IIRC, Babers went to Baylor as Briles' receivers coach when Briles got the job there. You can see some of Briles' type influence that offense...mainly in his wide receievers and QBs. The Syracuse QB reminds me of Bryce Petty throwing the ball but runs a hell of a lot better than Petty ever did.

Syracuse is a tough spot to win at. Being in a division with FSU and Clemson while both have been top 5 programs the last 5 years is tough. All you need to know about that division is that the last place team has last year's Heisman Trophy winner. Just getting bowl eligible in a season where they had/have to play @ LSU, @ NC State, @ Miami, @ FSU and @ Louisville, while getting Clemson at home, is a pretty brutal stretch. They have already shown massive improvements going from ranked #100 in team efficiency last year to currently #51. They currently sit 55th in Massey and last year they were 87th. The thing is they could be improved but only get 6 wins to show for it, although I think they could get to 7.
 

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It's not the record at this point, it's the attitude. The games at LSU and NC State gave the impression SU was starting to hit a stride. The Clemson game really gives ya that feeling. Add in he walked in the door saying midway through the second season, fans would begin to feel it......

...the guys got me hooked.

As mentioned, Babers turned down more money for the SU job. He likes the Dome. Babers isn't going to leave SU for any job. And the SEC is going to lose some coaches this year.

Don't be shocked when you read he's been offered an SEC slot.
I'd like to see him be a little picky when those offers come.
 

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Probably ... but I'm wondering if a guy like Butch Jones can't win at UT, then what's he going to do at Missouri.
'Can't win' at UT and 'Can't win' at Mizzou are two totally different things right now. Mizzou has zero expectations and would be ecstatic with a stabilizing 6 win season. A guy like Butch Jones is young, would get to stay in the SEC and could potentially use Mizzou as a launching pad to a better SEC school. Jones would also be familiar with Mizzou, what they're missing, who they are trying to recruit, etc.

I'm not saying its ideal for both parties but neither will likely be in a position of great power.

Maybe thats just me. Mizzou might end up getting some misc random coach again. The program is at a low point for a team in a power conference. Impossible to predict where that rabbit hole leads.
 

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i've been telling a few of my auburn fan friends that they should make a run at him.

they need an offensive system that can hurt the gumps and Baber's could do that with Auburn's potential recruiting wise.
 

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I think the system works best with a dual threat, ala RGIII, Marcus Mariotta etc, but it's been done with guys who aren't quite as athletic, Luke Fulk comes to mind. I think Allen would be fine running Babers' type of system, he comes off being athletic enough, having watched him play. I don't know if he's a senior or not though.

He is. Next year's starter will be 6'7, 270 pound Cole Kelley. He isn't a dual threat but he can move well for his size, sorta like Roethlisberger. Took nearly Alabama's whole team to take him down on some plays

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Probably ... but I'm wondering if a guy like Butch Jones can't win at UT, then what's he going to do at Missouri. they better throw an offer Babers way.

Mizzou's expectations aren't near what they are at Knoxville. I know it's been a long time since Tennessee was a title contender, but Vol nation expects to be contenders every year. Things look to be completely going off the rails at Tennessee right now, which shows that Josh Dobbs was very underappreciated by Vol nation, but the back to back 9 win seasons Butch had the last two seasons would be considered successful seasons at Mizzou. And Butch can recruit.

Going somewhere where the expectations aren't very high might wind up being a good move for both Butch and Mizzou.
 

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i've been telling a few of my auburn fan friends that they should make a run at him.

they need an offensive system that can hurt the gumps and Baber's could do that with Auburn's potential recruiting wise.

You are not going to beat Alabama regularly with a flashy offense. Cam Newtons and Deshawn Watsons only come around ever so often.

No one has dared to take on Saban at his strong point. Saban wins in the trenches. If you want to beat Alabama, find a way to beat Saban at his own game. Beat them at the line.
 

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You are not going to beat Alabama regularly with a flashy offense. Cam Newtons and Deshawn Watsons only come around ever so often.

No one has dared to take on Saban at his strong point. Saban wins in the trenches. If you want to beat Alabama, find a way to beat Saban at his own game. Beat them at the line.
You ain't gonna beat 'em playing Bama Ball either. THat's right in their wheelhouse. History says you need a dual threat QB. Manziel, Knight, Kelly, Watson. One that just stands in the pocket will get killed.
 

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You ain't gonna beat 'em playing Bama Ball either. THat's right in their wheelhouse. History says you need a dual threat QB. Manziel, Knight, Kelly, Watson. One that just stands in the pocket will get killed.

Trust me, the only way to take down a Titan is to become the Titan. Everyone is trying the offensive route and not winning. No one has tried to take Saban on at his own game.
 

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Trust me, the only way to take down a Titan is to become the Titan. Everyone is trying the offensive route and not winning. No one has tried to take Saban on at his own game.
Les Miles tried. A person would need talent just as equal or better than Saban's talent to beat the Titans at their own game. Who has that?

Once someone gets talent equal or better than Saban, then it won't matter what style...you'll beat them.
 

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Johnny still made plays from the pocket against Bama
Yeah, so did Knight, Kelly and Watson. But they weren't traditonal pro style plays from the pocket that Saban can scheme for. That ability to ad lib, draw it in the dirt, backyard, adjustment on the fly stuff is what drives Saban defenses crazy. History indicates playing Bama by the traditional book is a recipe for a loss if not a disaster. JMO.
 

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It's not the record at this point, it's the attitude. The games at LSU and NC State gave the impression SU was starting to hit a stride. The Clemson game really gives ya that feeling. Add in he walked in the door saying midway through the second season, fans would begin to feel it......

...the guys got me hooked.

As mentioned, Babers turned down more money for the SU job. He likes the Dome. Babers isn't going to leave SU for any job. And the SEC is going to lose some coaches this year.

Don't be shocked when you read he's been offered an SEC slot.
You had me up until this point. I could see him turning down Arkansas and maybe Tennessee, but if a big dog like LSU knocked on his door, he's heading south.
 

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The answer is Ole Miss

They make the most sense as far as transition, that style gives Bama the most problems and beating Saban is job 1 in the west.
Recruiting in the southeast in the SEC even at a crippled program is easier than at the Cuse and it would be a big time PR move by the, Rebels, so...

Ima go Ole Miss.
 
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