The Official 2017 Chicago White Sox Thread

richig07 said:

Because of shoulder inflamation? lol. He had just had a stretch where he went about a month with one of the lowest ERA's in baseball and a K/9 flirting with 10 in that time-span. He's already showed consistent ace-level stuff this year. That's all I wanted to see. This season was a huge victory for him.

Fulmer is the one who looks done for. He's been a total gas can this year... at every level.

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idseer said:

it's not just shoulder inflammation. that's the symptom. first he's dl'd because of something called "biceps bursitis". well, there's no such things as biceps bursitis! the fact is they don't have a diagnosis and it's been since april.
last year it's his wrist and neck discomfort.
you know as well as i that some guys are just too delicate to play major league baseball ... no matter how talented they are. maybe he'll be fine and maybe he won't. until he shows he can play regularly without going on the dl he's a big question mark. i imagine this latest problem will result in the sox going for another lefty arm in the next draft whereas they were thinking of a field position. i don't think the sox can count on rodon.

fulmer can't be done. he's a never was

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richig07 said:

Man, you look for the negatives everywhere.

They're being careful with a young pitcher in a rebuilding season. If he had some velo dip and pitched badly when he was out there. I may agree. However, seeing as he was quite wonderful as he got going into the season, I see no reason for anything but optimism pertaining to his 2017 campaign.

He has not had a surgery... no major injury. There's nothing here to indicate that he's "delicate". Put it this way, he's about 27 procedures behind Strasburg, who still dominates. haha

Biceps Tendinosis and Bursitis | Performance Health

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Jiddy said:

Is it too late to complain about us losing this generation's Nolan Ryan?

*tears of unfathomable sadness*

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idseer said:

i'll assume you're talking about sale. there is nothing to complain about here. sox sucked with him ON the team. he did NOTHING to help the team win! he HAD to be traded for the future health of the team.
what i find disturbing is fans who put their "fav players" above the success of the team.

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ChiSoxFan said:

We're seeing some positives at least.

Moncada is progressing offensively, as are Anderson and Davidson.

Giolito and Fulmer are throwing decent innings, establishing confidence at the MLB level.

The Burdi TJ surgery was unfortunate. I wonder if he will still be slated as the team's future closer.

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Jiddy said:

It is nice we have some semblance of a farm/youth movement...It's been some time. Problem is I'm worried we're going to start falling into what I call the "Marlin Twilight Zone" where we farm great players and just as they start coming to fruition...They leave. I mean, if we do so and luckbox into a couple 'ships like the Marlins did, I'm cool...but not if we do it 21st century Twins style where it's just a carousel of coulda-shoulda-wouldaness with a side of broken hopes and dreams. I had enough of that with the Urlacher Bears.

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ChiSoxFan said:

I think the major x factor for determining the above hypothetical is that we are on the brink, in my opinion, of new ownership. I don't see Jerry holding onto his majority ownership much longer.

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Jiddy said:

Sale is worth 12 or so additional wins in a season. You're kidding right? We had to trade him because we somehow destroyed relations with the guy. Stating he did nothing to help the team win and had to be traded is basically an after the fact approach of "ok, what do we do since we f*cked up" rather than just acknowledging that we f*cked up. You don't just lose all time great players. Furthermore, you don't say "you know, they weren't that good anyway." It's perfectly fine to be upset as a fan when your team loses one of the best players in baseball. Nothing disturbing about it.

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Jiddy said:

Jerry Reinsdorf is an enigma man. If he smells a possible 'ship in a team, he's trying to make a big splash (many times at the expense of the future-ie why we're here right now). It's hard for me not to like him because moves we've made under him under circumstances where there is a chance to win big (for both Sox and Bulls), he's gone for it. But when the team is sh*t on a stick, we out muddaf*ckaaaasss-you can see him counting the dollars. It's hard for me to blame him there. It's definitely not ideal ownership because it doesn't provide any semblance of consistency, so we boom or bust big-which is why every time we make a playoff run it's like "ZOMG WE HAVE TO WIN NOW CUZ NEXT YEAR IS GONNA (fill in doomsaying here)......."

But there's also the underlying issue of baseball's financing is all f*cked up. The Sox have to kind of do it that way because they aren't the Cubs...Yankees...Red Sox where they just can back up the truck year after year after year.
So yeah, I find myself constantly defending Reinsdorf because our situation is just...odd, for lack of better words.

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idseer said:

uhhh no. to all of this.
1. nobody HAD to trade him. to say this is so is just something you pulled out of your ass.
2. he did nothing to help them team win (did they win?). read between the lines. the team sucked and he did not, COULD not help.
3. you DO lose all time great players. it's happened since the beginning of baseball.
4. it's perfectly fine to say they weren't that good anyway. in fact it's downright necessary! if they HAD been good ... THAT is when it would have been a crime to trade him.

a bad team that holds onto one great player at the expense of the teams fortunes is also a stupid team (which the sox have certainly been). with the sox's situation they HAD to trade him. nothing they did before that was working! so cry all you want about the loss of your hero. doesn't change a thing.

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idseer said:

i find it funny you acknowledge all this on one hand and yet are blind to why they finally parted with the only little bit of starting talent they had. you admit ""It is nice we have some semblance of a farm/youth movement...It's been some time"". well .... HOW DO YOU THINK THAT HAPPENED?

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Jiddy said:

There's better ways to building a farm than making it a byproduct of destroying relations with this generation's Nolan Ryan/Randy Johnson...

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idseer said:

well then, tell me what the sox could have "reasonably" done ... aside from spending 100's of millions on free agents ... which we ALL know they could never have done. exactly what was the answer?

on an aside, sale has a LONG way to go to be compared to johnson and it shows your inexperience to even suggest it. and ryan sucked. barely a .500 pitcher (tied for 560th ................ 560th!) and one of the most over-rated players in the game's history. plus he pitched for FOUR TEAMS! guess they were all stupid too huh? LMAO!

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Jiddy said:

Did you just speak of Nolan Ryan in the way one would of, say, the mighty Juan Agosto?

You're right. I'm sold. Nolan Ryan was sh*t and dumping Sale was genius.

Look. I'm not gonna have all the solutions...but I can recognize stupid-and losing Sale was stupid. The stupidity is as given as the sun rising in the east, water being wet, and every White Sox fan attending a home game in the late 80's/early 90's having a Donn Pall autograph somewhere in their closet.

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