Game of Thrones

Coldhands in the books rides an Elk. I thought Benjen was on a horse before too.

ill said:

What if Jon hadn't come out of the water? What the hell would he have done then?

"Oh shit, guess I missed my chance..."

He had a HUGE opportunity to help when they were fucking fighting an entire army of the dead!

Also, why didn't he hit the dragon that was sitting there right in front of him with the javelin? Why go for the moving target with his Jay Montana arm strength? He wanted to show off?

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We caught that from last time with the guy falling endlessly into the waist high water and coming out miles down stream.

I was partly wondering if that sword to the heart of Snow gave him some dead powers.

ill said:

I like to see things through. Shows tend to jump the shark at some point and I have to stick with it even if the plot is completely lost or pisses me off.

By the end of Battlestar, I watched because i was hoping the entire ship would blow up and everyone would die. I hated every character on that show.

For Sons of Anarchy, it got so damn out of control that I couldn't wait for them to get to their inevitable ending that everyone already knew.

With this show, they need to get me to want to care. Right now, I am not sure I care.

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And if we were seeing characters changing in essential ways to try and drag it out and have something happen (SOA) or just close to a whimper (Dexter), then I'd probably agree with you. Hell, I can even see the argument about Battlestar, although the 'GodDidIt' ending was pretty much all they were going to be able to do there, but I can SEE the point of people being disappointed.

This show? I see people grousing about inconsequential shit that we accept in every OTHER TV show we watch as just something that happens.

We all still CARE what happens to our personal favorite characters, that GRRM took such care building, and the show for the most part has stayed faithful to. I'm mean for crissakes, Tyrion on the good side, Joffrey, Walder Frey, Cersei and Bolton Jr. on the bad side, go down in TV history as memorable characters. The Red Wedding goes down in TV HISTORY.

Tyrion, Jayme, Arya, -- we all want to find out their eventual fates. How will Cersei go out.

You KNOW you're in for that, no matter what.

Again, haven't the show runners built up enough TRUST by now? If not, then meh, you're just complaining to complain.

why do wights act like zombies in TWD

A few random observations.

I don't think it's that big a deal that there were no giants. They didn't show the entire army of the dead and honestly until the dragons showed up there wasn't much reason to worry about these dudes.

The show runners REALLY are pushing the limits of credulity with their indifference to time. I'm willing to give them a lot of leeway because a TV show simply can't show time the way we would like and still be interesting television. But there is almost no way to believe that Dany could get there in that time frame and I don't think the show needed to play this out the way it did. Ultimately the whole point of this exercise was to have Dany both see the real enemy and to have stakes in the fight. Losing Viserion was pretty huge. Kinda eliminates some of the Tyrion theories as being relevant.

The Arya and Sansa show down screams misdirection. While they clearly are not happy with each other it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. Sansa wanting to be the Queen of the North and believing she deserves it makes sense. Arya thinking she is betraying Jon by some of her actions makes sense. But the note being the wedge between them doesn't make sense. Arya is being pretty naive to think that Sansa had any control in that situation seems really out of character. And for me, one of them killing off the other just doesn't make sense. So I have to think that we are about to see the end of Littlefinger's shenanigans.

Honestly I also think that Cersei's reign has to come to an end this season. She simply doesn't enough stakes to keep her a compelling story with the Army of the Undead about to get to the wall.

ill said:

good point!

guess throwing Giants into the mix would have made it less likely that our heroes would survive.

also why just one roaming polar bear? why weren't there other dead animals wandering around?

Also, wasn't Benjen on an elk before?

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Heh. Where does this kind of 'what if?' supposition stop? Why not just kill off all of them and end the show right then and there?

BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR A SHITTY SHOW!

Why can't bad guys shoot for shit in TV shows? BECAUSE THEN THE BAD GUYS WOULD ALWAYS WIN.

Why do bad guys always tell the hero what they're going to do to them, then disappear off-screen and let the hero escape?

BECAUSE IF THEY DID IT CORRECTLY, LOGICALLY, THE BAD GUYS WOULD WIN.

Which, wait for it...

MAKES FOR A SHITTY SHOW.

chf said:

Again, haven't the show runners built up enough TRUST by now? If not, then meh, you're just complaining to complain.

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I think the show runners have run up to a problem that Martin is also likely going to suffer from. It's time to tell the end game and that limits options. There aren't that many characters left that you can kill off without ending major storylines. Killing off one of the remaining Starks doesn't make a whole lot of sense right now although that may change in the not too distant future. Killing of Cersei or Jaime means the end of a major story arc. Needless to say Dany, Jon, and Tyrion are still largely death proof, for this season at least.

So now they are about to finish the table setting for the end game next season. The Night King now has a dragon that will be pretty close to invincible except when facing the other dragons. Or by killing the Night King which seems the most likely way to kill the dragon. The political squabbles need to end because they are simply not important anymore.

Last night's episode was anticlimatic because it was more about table setting that moving the story. Not shocking but disappointing given the history of the penultimate episode of each season.

Ewa PGH Fan said:

Good point about one bear. It's like they want us to at least think the Night King had a plan to lore the dragons North so he could kill one. Otherwise why only send one bear and not a pack at the heroes???

I don't remember the elk. He was on a horse when he meet/rescued Bran last season, I think.

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it might have been in the books that he was on an elk, actually.

But you are right about the giants

chf said:

Heh. Where does this kind of 'what if?' supposition stop? Why not just kill off all of them and end the show right then and there?

BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR A SHITTY SHOW!

Why can't bad guys shoot for shit in TV shows? BECAUSE THEN THE BAD GUYS WOULD ALWAYS WIN.

Why do bad guys always tell the hero what they're going to do to them, then disappear off-screen and let the hero escape?

BECAUSE IF THEY DID IT CORRECTLY, LOGICALLY, THE BAD GUYS WOULD WIN.

Which, wait for it...

MAKES FOR A SHITTY SHOW.

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and this show has made it ok for the bad guys to win. They let the hero, Ned, die in the first book/season. That is why GoT was different.

Then they stopped doing that.

Cave_Johnson said:

Coldhands in the books rides an Elk. I thought Benjen was on a horse before too.

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Just saw this episode again the other day.

Benjen came in on a horse to save Bran and Meera.

Told them he was summoned by the 3-eyed raven. Bran could have summoned him this time to save Jon.

ill said:

they are well past the books. He is working with the same time schedule they are if is at all involved with the show, which I don't think he is as much as you are saying.

He may have input on what he thinks should happen, but I have a feeling the books will take a different route to get to the final outcome. Martin won't compromise his story by letting his characters show up when convenient or anyhting like that. The show has too many "oh you're here, how convenient!"

Plus Lady Stoneheart is a wildcard the show doesn't get to use.

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You know how the books end? With a different cast. The entire ensemble died of old age waiting for the next book.

chf said:

And if we were seeing characters changing in essential ways to try and drag it out and have something happen (SOA) or just close to a whimper (Dexter), then I'd probably agree with you. Hell, I can even see the argument about Battlestar, although the 'GodDidIt' ending was pretty much all they were going to be able to do there, but I can SEE the point of people being disappointed.

This show? I see people grousing about inconsequential shit that we accept in every OTHER TV show we watch as just something that happens.

We all still CARE what happens to our personal favorite characters, that GRRM took such care building, and the show for the most part has stayed faithful to. I'm mean for crissakes, Tyrion on the good side, Joffrey, Walder Frey, Cersei and Bolton Jr. on the bad side, go down in TV history as memorable characters. The Red Wedding goes down in TV HISTORY.

Tyrion, Jayme, Arya, -- we all want to find out their eventual fates. How will Cersei go out.

You KNOW you're in for that, no matter what.

Again, haven't the show runners built up enough TRUST by now? If not, then meh, you're just complaining to complain.

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I don't know if I should be giving my trust to the showrunners. I trust GRMM to do right by the characters. I not trust the showrunners for that. I guess we will see when they all get buddy buddy in the finale.

anotheridiot said:

We caught that from last time with the guy falling endlessly into the waist high water and coming out miles down stream.

I was partly wondering if that sword to the heart of Snow gave him some dead powers.

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girlfriend was wondering that too. Can Jon Snow be killed?

I used to love reading this thread after an episode to get the different takes and find things that I missed or dots that I didn't connect. Now it's just a bitchfest and I skip most of it.

Thanks fuckers. Now I have to log time above my pay grade and figure this shit out myself.

ill said:

girlfriend was wondering that too. Can Jon Snow be killed?

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He's the Lord of Light's champion. During the BotB, we saw him dodging death many times, with arrows falling all around him but missing him, and in the documentary they said that the point is to show that Jon is being protected by some higher being/magic.

Bridgeburner said:

I used to love reading this thread after an episode to get the different takes and find things that I missed or dots that I didn't connect. Now it's just a bitchfest and I skip most of it.

Thanks fuckers. Now I have to log time above my pay grade and figure this shit out myself.

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I'm sorry.

flyerhawk said:

The Arya and Sansa show down screams misdirection. While they clearly are not happy with each other it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. Sansa wanting to be the Queen of the North and believing she deserves it makes sense. Arya thinking she is betraying Jon by some of her actions makes sense. But the note being the wedge between them doesn't make sense. Arya is being pretty naive to think that Sansa had any control in that situation seems really out of character. And for me, one of them killing off the other just doesn't make sense. So I have to think that we are about to see the end of Littlefinger's shenanigans.

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I mentioned this earlier but yeah the Arya/Sansa conflict doesn't make any sense.

If we were dealing with book Arya and book Littlefinger I could possible see something play out where Littlefinger manipulates both girls into fighting with each other. Show Arya is too OP and post-season 4 show Littlefinger is too stupid for this to not logically end up with Arya outsmarting Littlefinger, knowing about the ploy the entire time, and playing it up to Sansa to make it seem to Littlefinger like she's falling for it.

There was some line in one of the trailers for this season about "the wolf pack being strong" or something. I think it was Arya who said it. This line probably comes from next episode where she fucks Littlefinger's shit up.

Really though Bran should just know about Littlefinger's whole scheme in detail since the show has made it clear that he can see everything that has ever happened anywhere in Westeros.

Cave_Johnson said:

I mentioned this earlier but yeah the Arya/Sansa conflict doesn't make any sense.

If we were dealing with book Arya and book Littlefinger I could possible see something play out where Littlefinger manipulates both girls into fighting with each other. Show Arya is too OP and post-season 4 show Littlefinger is too stupid for this to not logically end up with Arya outsmarting Littlefinger, knowing about the ploy the entire time, and playing it up to Sansa to make it seem to Littlefinger like she's falling for it.

There was some line in one of the trailers for this season about "the wolf pack being strong" or something. I think it was Arya who said it. This line probably comes from next episode where she fucks Littlefinger's shit up.

Really though Bran should just know about Littlefinger's whole scheme in detail since the show has made it clear that he can see everything that has ever happened anywhere in Westeros.

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I think Bran does something big in the season finale.

Sam has to end up somewhere too. Was he heading back to the Wall? He still doesn't know his father and brother are dead.

Also, who is Maester at the Wall? When Gentry got there, they called for him but I didn't think they had one.

ill said:

I'm sorry.

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I'm not!

Cave_Johnson said:

I mentioned this earlier but yeah the Arya/Sansa conflict doesn't make any sense.

If we were dealing with book Arya and book Littlefinger I could possible see something play out where Littlefinger manipulates both girls into fighting with each other. Show Arya is too OP and post-season 4 show Littlefinger is too stupid for this to not logically end up with Arya outsmarting Littlefinger, knowing about the ploy the entire time, and playing it up to Sansa to make it seem to Littlefinger like she's falling for it.

There was some line in one of the trailers for this season about "the wolf pack being strong" or something. I think it was Arya who said it. This line probably comes from next episode where she fucks Littlefinger's shit up.

Really though Bran should just know about Littlefinger's whole scheme in detail since the show has made it clear that he can see everything that has ever happened anywhere in Westeros.

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I do think Bran is gonna do some Bransplaining that is going to out Littlefinger.