Can USC & Washington carry the PAC-12 upon their shoulders?

AlaskaGuy said:

http://sportshoop.la/forums/politics-forum.278/

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never punched the link, google Barbara Hedges….i was hinting towards failed leadership of your beloved university and your fight back to top relevancy.


apparently you read a different message, sir.

seahawksfan234 said:

I know, the response was mostly regarding Hedges. She's up there with Clay Bennett in terms of people I hate the most that are connected to Seattle sports.

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Add Howard Schultz and Wally Walker to that list. I miss my Sonics.

mrwallace2ku said:

never punched the link, google Barbara Hedges….i was hinting towards failed leadership of your beloved university and your fight back to top relevancy.


apparently you read a different message, sir.

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You managed to get a twofer with that post.

AlaskaGuy said:

a twofer

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i pose in multiple levels and have an IQ of 173

AlaskaGuy said:

Add Howard Schultz and Wally Walker to that list. I miss my Sonics.

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Luckily I was never a big basketball fan. I probably would've burned down every Starbucks in the state if the Mariners or Seahawks left. Although if the Mariners left, they'd probably be doing us a favor...

seahawksfan234 said:

Luckily I was never a big basketball fan. I probably would've burned down every Starbucks in the state if the Mariners or Seahawks left. Although if the Mariners left, they'd probably be doing us a favor...

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Took two of three from one of the most overpayed payrolls in baseball this week.

mrwallace2ku said:

i pose in multiple levels and have an IQ of 73

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fify

UW and USC did one hell of a bang up job "carrying the conference" last year against Alabama.

wazzu31 said:

UW and USC did one hell of a bang up job "carrying the conference" last year against Alabama.

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Last year's Apple Cup decided the PAC North champion. WSU had that game at home and if they won they'd be playing Colorado in the PAC championship game.

just watching pac12 media days w/ shaw...... opening in sydney is a great honor

i'm pumped. not sure why wa and sc are the de facto picks...... always fun to have the opportunity knock the presumptive leaders off their perch

wazzu31 said:

UW and USC did one hell of a bang up job "carrying the conference" last year against Alabama.

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bama' bama..... none of the other pac tams would have fared better

stanford the manford said:

just watching pac12 media days w/ shaw...... opening in sydney is a great honor

i'm pumped. not sure why wa and sc are the de facto picks...... always fun to have the opportunity knock the presumptive leaders off their perch

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Sydney is a long ways to go to play a football game. I know you have a week off after, but I wouldn't want to be playing USC after that.

I was going to ask why you two are the only two Pac teams starting conference play in week 3...but then I figured out the ND thing.

Deep Creek said:

Ah, Davey O'Brien era. Who the hell were the Carnegie Tech Tartans?

"On January 2, 1939, the Frogs squared off against the #6 Carnegie Tech Tartans, eventually winning 15-7. O'Brien finished the game going 17-for-28 for 225 yards and a touchdown. He missed two extra points, but made a field goal, and he also had an interception (not threw an interception, had an interception). His pick came in the last few minutes of the game, essentially sealing the game."

17 of 28 passes for 225 yards? Probably called an Air Raid offense in 1938!

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Now Carnegie Mellon a DIII school in like Pennsylvania

stanford the manford said:

i wouldn't write usc off .... they've won 3 of the last 11 against stanford

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and cue in the SC fans with the sanctions excuse in 3,2,1........

outofyourmind said:

USC and Colorado are the only 2 teams with an AP National Title.
That doesn't look good.

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Well that is because the AP had Erickson's johnson in their mouths in 91' Everyone knew Washington deserved both titles!

wazzu31 said:

UW and USC did one hell of a bang up job "carrying the conference" last year against Alabama.

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Better Bama than Eastern Washington.

trojanfan12 said:

Yeah, I mean there are certain teams/schools that when they are good, it's good for college football. But it's like some of these writers think that means that other teams are supposed to just accept their fate and not try to beat those teams.

I find it interesting that, for example, during USC's run under Pete Carroll, the only teams that seemed to be able to beat us were PAC teams...yet we were supposedly dominating a weak conference.

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It was a little more complicated than that, if you took USC's performance OOC away, the Pac 12 was pretty bad a lot of those years. And just because message boards said that about USC, it's not like the powers that be in college football didn't give USC all the respect they deserved. You're being a little revisionists about that time period. It was all USC all the time back then by the talking heads too.

Hook'Em0608 said:

It was a little more complicated than that, if you took USC's performance OOC away, the Pac 12 was pretty bad a lot of those years. And just because message boards said that about USC, it's not like the powers that be in college football didn't give USC all the respect they deserved. You're being a little revisionists about that time period. It was all USC all the time back then by the talking heads too.

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Actually, there were at least a couple of seasons where a loss to a PAC-12 school was what kept USC out of the NCG and "weak conference" was the reason given for the exclusion. USC had to go unbeaten to get to the NCG where other programs didn't. So, it's not revisionist at all.

Hook'Em0608 said:

It was a little more complicated than that, if you took USC's performance OOC away, the Pac 12 was pretty bad a lot of those years. And just because message boards said that about USC, it's not like the powers that be in college football didn't give USC all the respect they deserved. You're being a little revisionists about that time period. It was all USC all the time back then by the talking heads too.

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What??
you mean the rest of the Pac was bad like 2002 #10 WSU 10-3, 2003 #9 WSU 10-3, 2004 #9 Cal 10-2, #19 ASU 9-3, 2005 #13 Oregon 10-2, #16 UCLA 10-2, #25 Cal 8-5, 2006 #14 Cal 10-3, #21 Oregon State 10-4, 2007 #16 ASU 10-3, #23 Oregon 9-4, #25 Oregon State 9-4, 2008 #10 Oregon 10-3, #19 Oregon state 9-4
2003 WSU 10-3 with wins over #17 Colorado and #6 Texas?
2003 Oregon beating #3 Michigan?
2004 ASU beating #16 iowa? Oregon State losing 21-22 in OT in Louisiana to #3 LSU still finish out by beating Notre Dame in a bowl?
2005 UCLA beating #21 Oklahoma
2006 Cal beating #21 Texas A&M
2007 Oregon beating Michigan that finished 18th and #21 South Florida
2008 Oregon beating #13 Oklahoma State, Oregon State beat #18 Pitt,
and I only listed ranked teams from BCS conferences. there were wins over ranked Utah, BYU, Hawaii teams as well and plenty of non ranked P5 teams like Purdue, Michigan State, Miami, Colorado, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri type teams.

You can't convince anyone outside of the Pac that the Pac isn't/hasn't been USC when they are dialed in and an odd ok team here and there and that is the entire story. That's been the narrative for a long time.

Pac12 after dark hasn't helped things. Way too much of our games come after the rest of the country is already well into their saturday night drunken stupor and beyond the ability to watch, more or less care, about two quality Pac12 teams going at it. Way too many of our top games come after 6pm eastern time. I mean no one cares if two teams not in any kind of a hunt are playing late, but come on.

The parity in the Pac has always been a thing. It's damned hard to run the table in this conference and historically always has, no matter how well the top teams have done against elite non Pac schools. For a long part of the history of this conference there wasn't any other conference that had more diversity of different types of offenses and defenses to prepare for. It only takes that one week against a style you aren't optimized for to trip you up. Even now, how many other conferences have the air raid, pro style, spread/no huddle, modified spread exotic formation, power running, spread with outside speed, etc. I've said for many years that being a DC in the Pac just has to suck balls.