USA Today predicts us 5-11

ehb5 · Jul 26, 2017

skinsdad62 said:
depth wise i dont think we can absorb too many injuries on defense , so yeah 5-11 is possible . i expect we will push 10-6 a playoff win if the majority of our moves pan out

agree. if everything works out I actually think we could be a really good team.

but when has everything ever worked out for us lol.

ehb5 · Jul 26, 2017

deanpet21 said:
I cant see the defense be worst stat wise from last year. If all of them stay healthy and Kc throws over 40Td's then yes 10 wins should be a certainty. Plus you have to factor in Tolmusla and Manusky into the equation. Both upgrades from last year.

I dont think kirk is about to just casually sling 40 TDs here. Thats the hardest part of that statement to believe honestly.

skinz2winz · Jul 26, 2017

If "EVERYTHING" goes right, this could be a 9-10 win team. Kirk and the offense (improved at WR imo) remain productive between the 20's but improve in the redzone territory and score 24+ points a game, if the defense with at least 5 new starters can gel quickly and limit opposing offenses to 21 pts or less per game, if ST's can limit big plays and the coaching decisions can be made with confidence whether it's clock management, red flag calls, player rotations and decent play calling on both sides of the ball, the Skins can win 9-10 games.

"If" any of these areas suffer, we can easily be a 5-6 win team.

HTTR!

Sportster 72 · Jul 26, 2017

ehb5 said:
Id argue DJax was a number 1. Hes at least a very good receiver. Reeds could be a "number 1" even though he isnt a receiver.

A go to guy? He had Reed, Crowder, Garcon, and DJax. How many go to guys does he need?

Size? Who the hell cares? He had skill and speed which are just as/if not more valuable than size. Size is not necessary whatsoever.

His line? Please. We all know that we have a very good to great Oline. One of the better ones in the league. Kirk does a great job of getting the ball out but the line is very good.

Running game - sure the running game was poor but thats also probably the single least important part of the team. The rest of the O more than made up for that.

Sorry but people talking about getting rid of Djax and Garcon years ago were just being short sighted. THeyve been great wide receivers their whole careers.

Made KC who he is? Did anybody say that?

But the fact is they made up a fantastic supporting cast surrounding KC. I really dont know that any other QB had a better group around him.

My one comment to this is size and speed are the two greatest physical attributes in the game. Mental attributes are equally important but just not a physical attribute. Having said that you can have size and speed but no technique and are likely doomed.

Having been a small (weight wise guy when I played) I am probably biased but I am always impressed when someone like DJax or any small guy can excel in a very physical game.

Sportster 72 · Jul 26, 2017

I am not sure how anyone says with any certainty that the team is improved at WR. The team has a guy in his second full year as WR with size and speed and another guy that has both of those attributes but is basically a rookie. I am intrigued by the possibilities but I don't think you can say improved. Not yet anyhow.

deanpet21 · Jul 26, 2017

ehb5 said:
I dont think kirk is about to just casually sling 40 TDs here. Thats the hardest part of that statement to believe honestly.

I ddint say that. skinsdad did

skinsdad62 · Jul 26, 2017

deanpet21 said:
I ddint say that. skinsdad did

doesnt sling mean pass ? if it does (which it does ) please show the quote . i said he would have 43 tds total , that means pass , catch , rec , returns not passing alone . now i cant see him returning anything but pryor could throw him one and rushing for 8 tds is possible making throwing for 35 as possible with better red zone targets

but again those are in the WILD PREDICTION THREAD not the LIKELY PREDICTION THREAD

most of my predictions wont come true but i will put them out there unlike some around here

deanpet21 · Jul 26, 2017

skinsdad62 said:
doesnt sling mean pass ? if it does (which it does ) please show the quote . i said he would have 43 tds total , that means pass , catch , rec , returns not passing alone . now i cant see him returning anything but pryor could throw him one and rushing for 8 tds is possible making throwing for 35 as possible with better red zone targets

but again those are in the WILD PREDICTION THREAD not the LIKELY PREDICTION THREAD

most of my predictions wont come true but i will put them out there unlike some around here

why are they all blaming me for this? lol

skinsdad62 · Jul 26, 2017

deanpet21 said:
why are they all blaming me for this? lol

because you deflect . example , dean you cant see 5-11, you offer up skinsdads prediction of 40 passing tds (which was false ) as a way to deflect what they are asking you and that is why is 5-11 not possible , hence they bug you and not me

deanpet21 · Jul 26, 2017

skinsdad62 said:
because you deflect . example , dean you cant see 5-11, you offer up skinsdads prediction of 40 passing tds (which was false ) as a way to deflect what they are asking you and that is why is 5-11 not possible , hence they bug you and not me

I never made that prediction. What deflect? If they disagree with that they should message you not me.

skinsdad62 · Jul 26, 2017

deanpet21 said:
I never made that prediction. What deflect? If they disagree with that they should message you not me.

deanpet21 said:
I ddint say that. skinsdad did

this is the beginning of the deflection

deanpet21 said:
I meant laughable that they gave us a 5-11 record. I think Pryor will have a big year for us.

gkekoa said:
It isn't laughable to me. I can see it happening.

deanpet21 said:
oh cmon man. talent wise we are better than last year. Yes the schedule is tougher but 5-11? I don't think so.

Stymietee said:
I really don't want to ask this because there's going to be a charge or two of wishing this. So let me be clear before I ask. I"M NOT WISHING THIS!!! (So RG3 help me )

What happens IF we lose Kirk, Reed and one of our receivers very early in the new season? In fact, what if the injury bug really decimates the entire starting offensive and defensive roster? Still can't see 5-11 as possible?

Stymietee said:
Yes, you can say that about any team, but that's the point isn't it? It COULD happen to us and because we are vulnerable to the injury bug, we COULD go 5-11 or worse right? (Key words are "could" and/or it's "possible")

skinsdad62 said:
depth wise i dont think we can absorb too many injuries on defense , so yeah 5-11 is possible . i expect we will push 10-6 a playoff win if the majority of our moves pan out

deanpet21 said:
If Kc like you said is a pro bowl Qb and has over 40Td's then yes 10 wins should happen easily

reenforcing the deflection

deanpet21 said:
Its a slap in the face to all Redskins fans.

deanpet21 said:
I cant see the defense be worst stat wise from last year. If all of them stay healthy and Kc throws over 40Td's then yes 10 wins should be a certainty. Plus you have to factor in Tolmusla and Manusky into the equation. Both upgrades from last year.

this is where you misquoted me while deflecting

Niner Outlaw said:
LOL, is that all? You don't think that is a little unrealistic?

Do you really understand just how rare and unlikely 40 passing TDs is? In NFL history, it's only been done 12 times. By only 8 QBs. Ever.

deanpet21 said:
I know. skisndad predicted it.

this is where you put words into my mouth based on a misquote yet again and more deflection

skinsdad62 said:
ok dean said i predicted 40 passing TDs , no i predicted 43 total TDS to be clear and they are "wild predictions "

here is me correcting your mis information

Niner Outlaw said:
Well, on the one hand, 40 passing TDs guarantees the Skins a playoff spot b/c all the other 8 teams got in, but that is an exceedingly short list of Qbs.

I get that they were wild predictions, not what ya'll think will actually happen. Even so, 40 or more total TDs are quite rare. Total TDs moves the number up from 8 to about 13. However, there are over 2 dozen QBs that have gotten "close" to 40 total.

Personally, I think KC's stats will dip some from previous years.

now mind you all of this comes after stymie talked about injuries and your response dismissed that and hence instead of using your own debating tools to defend your position you deflect to "skinsdad said " blah blah blah
that is why the are picking you out and not me

deanpet21 · Jul 26, 2017

skinsdad62 said:
this is the beginning of the deflection

reenforcing the deflection

this is where you misquoted me while deflecting

this is where you put words into my mouth based on a misquote yet again and more deflection

here is me correcting your mis information

now mind you all of this comes after stymie talked about injuries and your response dismissed that and hence instead of using your own debating tools to defend your position you deflect to "skinsdad said " blah blah blah
that is why the are picking you out and not me

you are a nut. I didn't even say this. lol. they think I predicted KC to have over 40td's

skinsdad62 · Jul 26, 2017

deanpet21 said:
you are a nut. I didn't even say this. lol. they think I predicted KC to have over 40td's

i just ran a number of quotes you made , not me

j_y19 · Jul 26, 2017

skinsdad62 said:
i just ran a number of quotes you made , not me

Yeah, but when you quoted him directly with what he said, you misquoted him. See, you can't read between the lines like he can. Just because he said it doesn't mean that he actually meant what he said.

Stymietee · Jul 26, 2017

ehb5 said:
I love how rg3 is constantly brought up...but not by the people who are so called "Cousins haters" and "rg3 lovers"

Hmmmm....

Its almost like other people are the ones struggling to let go...

The unspoken shame of it all is, that it's a weak attempt to put others in a defensive position. It is as if, everyone gave as deep a fuck about this former player as they do. To me it's akin to believing that anyone still cares about former players, Shar Pourdanesh, Lorenzo Alexander, Fred Davis, London Fletcher, Rex Grossman, or for those who want to twist that way, Jason Campbell.

If we're honest, football is our escape, pure entertainment and at a gut level a form of tribalism. The overwhelming majority really don't care about the individual pieces beyond what they are able (or fail ) to do on the field. More often than not reactions to those who please or displease on game day becomes a function/ reflection of group celebration/commiseration, as our individual responses turn to talk radio, news stories, work place conversations and sites like this one.

Griffin, it appears, is unique in that he's injured these folks in a manner unlike 99.999% of his contemporaries. Maybe it had something to do with the previous 20 something years of futility that they often speak of, the hope that he initially sparked, and his inevitable fall from their grace in such a short, unexpected, period of time.

Whatever it's been, perhaps, some perspective might help......Good luck to all in that regard.

Sharkinva · Jul 27, 2017

Stymietee said:
The unspoken shame of it all is, that it's a weak attempt to put others in a defensive position. It is as if, everyone gave as deep a fuck about this former player as they do. To me it's akin to believing that anyone still cares about former players, Shar Pourdanesh, Lorenzo Alexander, Fred Davis, London Fletcher, Rex Grossman, or for those who want to twist that way, Jason Campbell.

If we're honest, football is our escape, pure entertainment and at a gut level a form of tribalism. The overwhelming majority really don't care about the individual pieces beyond what they are able (or fail ) to do on the field. More often than not reactions to those who please or displease on game day becomes a function/ reflection of group celebration/commiseration, as our individual responses turn to talk radio, news stories, work place conversations and sites like this one.

Griffin, it appears, is unique in that he's injured these folks in a manner unlike 99.999% of his contemporaries. Maybe it had something to do with the previous 20 something years of futility that they often speak of, the hope that he initially sparked, and his inevitable fall from their grace in such a short, unexpected, period of time.

Whatever it's been, perhaps, some perspective might help......Good luck to all in that regard.

Look guys... Im just going to throw it out there.

Alot of the fans who were "Upset" over Griffin getting benched are the same ones who tend to be overly critical of Cousins.

This is NOT a coincidence. Some folks might not want Griffin back, but they developed the fuck Kirk Cousins attitude because they were still deeply in love with what Griffin was supposed to be.

Any one who still wants Griffin back needs to seek help. But I would ask those who developed a dislike for Cousins based on him taking Griffins job to at least be honest with themselves if they cant come out and admit that the real issue with Cousins originally stems from him getting named the starter over Bob.

Carry on.

Skin'EmAll · Jul 27, 2017

skinsdad62 said:
this is the beginning of the deflection

deanpet21 said: ↑
I cant see the defense be worst stat wise from last year. If all of them stay healthy and Kc throws over 40Td's then yes 10 wins should be a certainty. Plus you have to factor in Tolmusla and Manusky into the equation. Both upgrades from last year.

Niner Outlaw said: ↑
LOL, is that all? You don't think that is a little unrealistic?
Do you really understand just how rare and unlikely 40 passing TDs is? In NFL history, it's only been done 12 times. By only 8 QBs. Ever.

deanpet21 said: ↑
I know. skisndad predicted it.

Another case where the League of Shadows summons me. I'm not as disgusted as DFG when it comes to the teasing or malicious as Gkekoa ....when it comes to the teasing
but @deanpet21 I can FINALLY see why folks put a target on your head every time you post.
Skinsdad your evidence is clear, from a thread you had posted 48 hours before this one that you mentioned 43 total TDs would be wild prediction(passing + russing + defensive etc....for folks that can't grasp total.

Dean originates his own statement about Cousins "throwing" OVER 40 TDs which leads to Niner Outlaw likely researching interesting, yet irrelevant stats to our predictions(not a diss, because he has enlightened me on franchise tags) There was no mention of "40" or strictly passing TDs until Dean "claimed" Skinsdad predicted it.
LOL! --Dean what the heck man???

handicappers · Jul 27, 2017

sounds a little generous if you ask me.

gkekoa · Jul 27, 2017

ehb5 said:
Id argue DJax was a number 1. Hes at least a very good receiver. Reeds could be a "number 1" even though he isnt a receiver.

A go to guy? He had Reed, Crowder, Garcon, and DJax. How many go to guys does he need?

Size? Who the hell cares? He had skill and speed which are just as/if not more valuable than size. Size is not necessary whatsoever.

His line? Please. We all know that we have a very good to great Oline. One of the better ones in the league. Kirk does a great job of getting the ball out but the line is very good.

Running game - sure the running game was poor but thats also probably the single least important part of the team. The rest of the O more than made up for that.

Sorry but people talking about getting rid of Djax and Garcon years ago were just being short sighted. THeyve been great wide receivers their whole careers.

Made KC who he is? Did anybody say that?

But the fact is they made up a fantastic supporting cast surrounding KC. I really dont know that any other QB had a better group around him.

I think DJ may have been a one with PHI back in the day and I don't see Reed as number one.

A go to guy is somebody you know will beat coverage such as Julio, or at least that is how I was referring to it.

Size is very important, especially in the red zone because it increases the catch radius.

There is only one way to find out how good the line is. Have KC go away in FA or get hurt. I don't think you will like the results.

Again, I ask...

Did people not consider our OL poor before KC was in there?

Did people not want to get rid of PG and DJ before KC was their QB?

gkekoa · Jul 27, 2017

skinz2winz said:
If "EVERYTHING" goes right, this could be a 9-10 win team. Kirk and the offense (improved at WR imo) remain productive between the 20's but improve in the redzone territory and score 24+ points a game, if the defense with at least 5 new starters can gel quickly and limit opposing offenses to 21 pts or less per game, if ST's can limit big plays and the coaching decisions can be made with confidence whether it's clock management, red flag calls, player rotations and decent play calling on both sides of the ball, the Skins can win 9-10 games.

"If" any of these areas suffer, we can easily be a 5-6 win team.

HTTR!

We scored nearly 25 PPG last season. If we remain productive between the 20s but improve our red zone efficiency, we should be sniffing 28PPG. We gave up nearly 24 PPG last season. If we improve to 21 PPG, you think we may sniff 10 games. If both of those things happen, we will be in discussion for the Super Bowl. No team in the NFL did that last season. NE was close with 27.6 PPG and defensively 15.6. If we can do 28/21, I think we win 13.

USA Today predicts us 5-11

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