Where does Randy Moss rank among the GOAT WRs?

richig07 said:

Yeah, physically, Calvin was possibly the best ever. IMO

If he wanted it nearly as bad as Rice did, there's a good chance he could have been the GOAT.

Those times when he was healthy and motivated, he was truly unbelievable.

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GhostOfPoverty said:

95% will pick taking on Rice over Moss

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richig07 said:

This was hilarious. You know the game so well even though you are in your 20's... lolzzz

It is hilarious, watching your argument melt. Too old, too young? Which is it? Most players in the NFL are in their 20's, do they lack an understanding of the game? I've been a student of the game my entire life.

So, how do you know so much being you didn't see him play, was it watching highlight reels?

I don't bring much into highlight reels. They're intentionally made to give an inflated view of the player. I consider numbers, compared to players from both a players era and other eras. On top of watching full games, which you can find.

Moss went over the middle he just outran the people closing on him or hit the ground to avoid a big hit.

Lol... Hilarious. Baseless, useless response. You're flailing. It's pretty well known that Moss did not go across the middle very well.

"he hit the ground to avoid a big hit"... Exactly. As I said, he shied away from contact. Which is a pretty big part of going across the middle.


1,000 more targets, I find that hard to believe. The most targets Moss had in one season was 184. The most targets Rice ever had in one season was 176. That is the only time either player is in the top 25 for targets since 1990.

I specifically explained that the first few years of Rice's career they did not count targets as a stat. However, if you take his average targets over his career, and attribute them to the seasons they were not counted. Rice STILL falls short of Moss in targets.

Rice demolishes Moss in EVERY single major statistical category all-time, and did so with less targets. In a run-first era of football.

Why does Rice's career demolish what Moss did, umm Joe Montana & Steve Young might have played a role in that but you wouldn't really know being you never watched them aside from highlight reels...

So, now you are conceding that Rice's career resume demolishes Moss? Good, you're making progress towards finding enlightenment.

And now we've shifted from arguing that Moss's career was in fact good, to now falling back to the hypothetical; "Well... Moss didn't have as good of QB play!". Sorry, you're not judged for what MIGHT have happened in your career, if you had a hypothetical different circumstance. You're judged for what YOU DID.

Also, to act like Moss had poor QB play, is a joke. He had pro bowl QB's 50% of his seasons, to Rice's 57%. Is that enough to warrant the MASSIVE difference in numbers. Especially considering that he had LESS targets?

Again, it's over. You have no logical argument, except for baseless statements like; "But... BUT! HE was more explosive!"... Lol

If you weren't biased, and could look at it in terms of Player A vs Player B. You would never choose Moss.

Player A - Obliterates Player B statistically, and does so with less career targets. With pro bowl QB's in 57% of his seasons.

Player B - Falls WELL short of Player A statistically, despite having more career targets. With pro bowl QB's in 50% of his seasons.

I'll say it again...

If these were two RB's, with the discrepancy in numbers that Rice/Moss have... and the #1 RB had less career carries than the #2 RB. You would NEVER make an argument for that other RB.

It's over dude. Cut your losses. Stop embarrassing yourself, I feel bad now. You have no factual basis for your argument. It's all hypothetical scenarios and baseless nonsense.

Quit while you have some dignity.

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DetroitDevil said:

Percy Harvin??????


Ummm



Uhhhh


What is "the thing that carries a womans make up"



Lay off the herb a lil while... its doing you no favors.

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knowyourenemy said:

If I had to build a team and had no clue who else was going to be on the roster, I'd take Moss over Rice.

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Win TWINS!!! said:

Rice is 1A to Randy being 1B.

Part of Randy's problem, and what might keep him from being a 1st ballot HoFer, was his relationship with the media, and the other off-field stuff (parking meter lady, the caterers, mooning Lambeaux, marijuana, etc.).

Rice was the product of a newish offensive scheme in the West Coast and had arguably 2 top 10 all-time QBs (depending on where you rank Young). Defenses had to adjust to the scheme.

Moss WAS the offensive scheme, and defenses had to adjust to him. He altered how teams in the division drafted. Those that say he was afraid to go over the middle, and was afraid to take a hit, just didn't pay attention.

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Nosferatu said:

I think Young could be argued top 5!

The mooning at Lambeau thing was bullshit, people who know what goes on after a Packers know Packers fans moon the opposing teams bus and Randy was just giving some back! I don't hate many Vikings players but Matt Birk can suck a dick!

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Win TWINS!!! said:

What problem could you have with Matt Birk? It was Joe Buck's call that blew it entirely out of proportion.

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Nosferatu said:

He's a dick who called out Moss for leaving the field at Washington saying he didn't wanna play with quitters, there was 2 fucking seconds left and Randy wasn't on the return team!

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Win TWINS!!! said:

Forgot about that.... hard to hate Birk over that, though. He was a competitor. Emotions. 2nd best center in Vikings history behind Tingelhoff.

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Nosferatu said:

Kirk Lowdermilk & Dennis Swilley were better

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ducky said:

I love, love, love, love me some Randy Moss.

But saying he is better than Jerry Rice is just nuts.

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