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Fat Rob’ says Jay Gruden told him to lose weight because Redskins will run more

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hopefully
 

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It would help with the red zone woes.
 

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according to PFF in a thread i posted , it says the skins were 5th in 3rd 4th short yardage and goal to goal conversions at 72 %. play calling may have been an issue
 

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Do we really need to run more? Ive been saying yes up till now. But when you think about it...why? Our passing offense has been terrific. Passing is more efficient. Maybe we should run more but it doesn't automatically follow that that's a good idea.
 

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Do we really need to run more? Ive been saying yes up till now. But when you think about it...why? Our passing offense has been terrific. Passing is more efficient. Maybe we should run more but it doesn't automatically follow that that's a good idea.

I agree with you for the most part. I guess that the exception is needing to run more & more effectively in the red zone. However - that is not the total solution. The Redskins might also improve in this area with the change in the WR corps. They are not really better than the previous group, but they are bigger & hopefully more efficient once the team is inside the 20.
 

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Is Fat Rob actually fat? He didn't look so to me last year.
 

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Do we really need to run more? Ive been saying yes up till now. But when you think about it...why? Our passing offense has been terrific. Passing is more efficient. Maybe we should run more but it doesn't automatically follow that that's a good idea.
Its a fair question. We need to have the threat to run more, at a minimum. Just to keep the defenses honest if for no other reason.
 

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I'm actually stunned that our short yardage stats were that good. Seems to me 1st and goal at the 5 almost always meant 2nd and goal from the 5. This pretty much forced a pass play call as another stuff and now you are in 3rd and goal from the 4 and the play fake fools nobody. The inability to bust it through on the ground was a huge part of our red zone problems.
 

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There are several reasons to run more, I pointed it out last year:
1. Effective run game makes play action work better
2. Clock management/control
3. Beat on the opposition to wear them down

We do not need to be a run heavy team but it would be better if we were a run effective team.

All that said Jay Gruden is not going to become Ground Chuck. No worries there. This team is still going to throw the ball.
 

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we won 8 games when we rushed 20 plus times a game . take that to heart
 

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There are several reasons to run more, I pointed it out last year:
1. Effective run game makes play action work better
2. Clock management/control
3. Beat on the opposition to wear them down

We do not need to be a run heavy team but it would be better if we were a run effective team.

All that said Jay Gruden is not going to become Ground Chuck. No worries there. This team is still going to throw the ball.

All fair points.

And certainly running the ball more effectively is always better. But Im not sure running MORE is.

Somebody I follow on twitter was talking about this (where I got the idea) - that we dont really know what an all passing or nearly all passing offense looks like. Not that thats what we should be doing but that we may think running is more important than it is. And obviously a lot of teams couldnt get away with going so pass heavy. But I think we could. At some point running the ball is just a less efficient play. Not that it cant have value but you may be sacrificing more value than youre gaining. And if you think about it - the smartest team in the league (NE) has gone very pass heavy even to the point of literally not running the ball 5 times in a game some weeks. Maybe theyre on to something.

Of course youre also right that Gruden probably isnt about to turn into Rex Ryan here so theres nothing to really worry about.
 

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I agree with you for the most part. I guess that the exception is needing to run more & more effectively in the red zone. However - that is not the total solution. The Redskins might also improve in this area with the change in the WR corps. They are not really better than the previous group, but they are bigger & hopefully more efficient once the team is inside the 20.

I do think we'll be better in the RZ but it will likely have to do with just regressing to the mean as much as anything. We were a good offense that struggled in the RZ. I think thats more fluke than anything. But youre probably right that Perine, Doctson, and Pryor could all help there as well.
 

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Its a fair question. We need to have the threat to run more, at a minimum. Just to keep the defenses honest if for no other reason.

I agree it helps keep defenses honest. But at what cost? And it may be the right thing. Im not arguing we should definitely always be passing. More that we always assume we should run more even though when you think about we dont really know that that makes sense.
 

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That is the worlds worst statistic. You run more when up, hence your record looks better when you run.
or you run burn clock and score points . yes some of that is contrlling the ball with a big lead but again that is huge
 

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or you run burn clock and score points . yes some of that is contrlling the ball with a big lead but again that is huge

Maybe. It's not like I think running never has a place or value. But like that article shows - passing is pretty much always better.
 

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Maybe. It's not like I think running never has a place or value. But like that article shows - passing is pretty much always better.

You and I debated this point last year. Running 20 times for 1 yard per carry does little to help the play action game. Lets not forget that play action is still huge even in todays NFL game. In games where we did not run effectively the opposing D dropped LBers deeper which negated play action and we did not play well offensively.

Running is important to an extent but today's game is based more than ever on passing. The rules are setup to make the passing game much easier than it ever was before.
 
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