ALL-Time NBA Mock Draft Semi-Game 1: 500 VS Shane

[UK Cowboy]

Baylor goes off for 80 points in 18 minutes bc Mullin is an average player - UK

No, only about 20. Mullin may not score at all, I doubt he sees the ball at all between AI and Miller as your bench guards

 

[Ritzarmy]

Keep messing with Shane

That does sound like more fun. I'm heading to lowes with Michael to use my birthday money on Christmas lights. He and I love Christmas and I love to make my house standout from the rest.

 

[Shanemansj13]

So you are pointing out Moses dominates and you don't think Malone dominates Dirk. That is a BIGGER mismatch by far. But ok lol

Btw...Dirk is mismatch for just about anyone and Robinson was far more versatile defender than the Mailman who was good post defender. I had to make those changes.

Dirk as a defender is far more of a mismatch than Malone on Moses. Period. Somebody has been hitting the bottle hard today

 

[Shanemansj13]

No, only about 20. Mullin may not score at all, I doubt he sees the ball at all between AI and Miller as your bench guards

He is a decoy. To spread the floor just like Dirk in this matchup...at least by your terms. But the thing you can't hide is Dirk getting abused in the paint. You cant use him as a decoy if he is fouled out.

 

[UK Cowboy]

He is a decoy. To spread the floor just like Dirk in this matchup...at least by your terms. But the thing you can't hide is Dirk getting abused in the paint. You cant use him as a decoy if he is fouled out.

Miller is a decoy....only, you have him paired with AI, who isn't gonna throw him the ball. You don't have a backup PG, because you were originally going to start MJ at the point(absurd) and use Kidd off the bench, till 500 agreed with me that that was poor strategy, so you moved Kidd in as a starter, which left you with 3 ball dominant SG's and no backup point. Now you are putting your PF on one of the greatest post scoring centers ever.. perhaps you should have hired a coach

 

[wlk3]

I think 500 has put the 2 best teams with Magic at PG ever... I'm not happy about it... I got 500

 

[UK Cowboy]

I think 500 has put the 2 best teams with Magic at PG ever... I'm not happy about it... I got 500

If we were really picking teams to win, play for money...I'd take Magic #1

 

[Shanemansj13]

Miller is a decoy....only, you have him paired with AI, who isn't gonna throw him the ball. You don't have a backup PG, because you were originally going to start MJ at the point(absurd) and use Kidd off the bench, till 500 agreed with me that that was poor strategy, so you moved Kidd in as a starter, which left you with 3 ball dominant SG's and no backup point. Now you are putting your PF on one of the greatest post scoring centers ever.. perhaps you should have hired a coach

AI isn't going to throw him the ball? He averaged 7 or more assists 5 straight years. He is a listed as a PG/SG.

The thing is you are highlight all his favored matchups but still haven't said anything about my bigger mismatch. Who does Dirk guard? That is the biggest mismatch out of everyone. Robinson has to guard Dirk, if Malone was guarding him it would be a bigger mismatch. Dirk might not be a decoy bc he is probably sitting on the bench fouled out or the Mailman has 40...no joke. Then I have MJ, nobody is stopping him. Nique and Erving is a wash. So now you have Magic vs Kidd. Kidd is one of the best low post defenders for a guard ever and great rebounder. Magic will get his but Kidd can play off of him. You realize his 1-3 can't shoot at all from the outside. Dirk is the only floor spacer and he is most likely in foul trouble unless you give up points. So as much as you want to point out the flaws against me....sit back and take a look at everything.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If we were really picking teams to win, play for money...I'd take Magic #1

It all depends who is around him and 500 he a great job of doing that.

 

[UK Cowboy]

AI isn't going to throw him the ball? He averaged 7 or more assists 5 straight years. He is a listed as a PG/SG.

The thing is you are highlight all his favored matchups but still haven't said anything about my bigger mismatch. Who does Dirk guard? That is the biggest mismatch out of everyone. Robinson has to guard Dirk, if Malone was guarding him it would be a bigger mismatch. Dirk might not be a decoy bc he is probably sitting on the bench fouled out or the Mailman has 40...no joke. Then I have MJ, nobody is stopping him. Nique and Erving is a wash. So now you have Magic vs Kidd. Kidd is one of the best low post defenders for a guard ever and great rebounder. Magic will get his but Kidd can play off of him. You realize his 1-3 can't shoot at all from the outside. Dirk is the only floor spacer and he is most likely in foul trouble unless you give up points. So as much as you want to point out the flaws against me....sit back and take a look at everything.

I'm assuming 500 would have Dirk guard Malone, and that is a match-up that would wash out IMO. Malone would tear up Dirk, but if you are going to Malone more, that means less shots for MJ. Dirk on the other hand, opens up the floor for 500. It wouldn't have been nearly as bad if you left Malone on him and Robinson on Moses, but you've pulled your shot blocker 25' from the basket. Magic would simply back Kidd down and score or pass out if the post.
When Nos said you should start Mullin, he was probably thinking about maximizing MJ. When he won 6 straight years he played, how many guys did he play with that were roll players and how many needed the ball in their hands? The whole team was role players, shooters like Kerr, Armstrong and Paxson a point forward in Pippin, defense/rebounding in Rodman, 3 scrub centers to play D and screen.....you've surrounded him with AI, Wilkins, Miller, Mailman, guys that want the ball, and a PG in Kidd who couldn't shoot. I'm not razzing you for the fun of it, just think its a bad fit

 

[CitySushi]

I'm assuming 500 would have Dirk guard Malone, and that is a match-up that would wash out IMO. Malone would tear up Dirk, but if you are going to Malone more, that means less shots for MJ. Dirk on the other hand, opens up the floor for 500. It wouldn't have been nearly as bad if you left Malone on him and Robinson on Moses, but you've pulled your shot blocker 25' from the basket. Magic would simply back Kidd down and score or pass out if the post.
When Nos said you should start Mullin, he was probably thinking about maximizing MJ. When he won 6 straight years he played, how many guys did he play with that were roll players and how many needed the ball in their hands? The whole team was role players, shooters like Kerr, Armstrong and Paxson a point forward in Pippin, defense/rebounding in Rodman, 3 scrub centers to play D and screen.....you've surrounded him with AI, Wilkins, Miller, Mailman, guys that want the ball, and a PG in Kidd who couldn't shoot. I'm not razzing you for the fun of it, just think its a bad fit

I agree with a lot of you said, but take exception with Kidd. Maybe I'm championing him too much, but Kidd was a legit 6'5" 215lb at the PG position. He would be giving up about 4 inches in height, but Kidd was a really strong and really great defender. Magic could have posted him, but it wouldn't have been a cake walk and Kidd would have held his own about as well as any guard could be expected to.

Kidd also started out as a bad shooter but he turned out to be a great 3 point shooter late in his career. He ended his career with nearly a 35% 3 point percentage, topping out at 46% one year in Dallas. He's also 5th on the all-time list of 3 pointers made in NBA history.

Kidd is actually a really fantastic fit next to Jordan and especially in the pick and roll with Malone. Jordan would run one side of the triangle with Kidd being able to stretch the court and play a secondary pick and roll with Malone. Those 3 would be so dynamic offensively.

 

[Pack 500]

500

 

[Pack 500]

Yes, size does matter actually lmao not to mention Karl was a 1st team defensive player 3 times. if you think a guy that weights 35 pounds less than him is owning him your judgment is off.

Not sure why the Mailman is thought of as a bad defender when in actuality is very underappreciated and a tough defender.

You talk about all my matchup problems and you don't talk about his lack of bench. It is made up of defensive-minded guys first. Little to no offense and no shooting. Then I guess Wade=MJ lol

Hilarious. Melo/Bosh/Gilmore is a terrific offensive front court and Clyde would take advantage of them getting the ball to them in the right spots

 

[CitySushi]

I love the Kidd, Jordan, Malone, Robinson fit. What I don't really love is Nique here. From a talent perspective he's the best option there, but from a fit, Miller would have been so much better suited for an offense run primarily through Jordan and Malone. Those two are a great combo, with Kidd facilitating and Reggie being another shooting threat on the wing. Reggie is probably the best off-ball player in NBA history. (Klay is sneaking up there though).

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I got pack... I loved both teams this time... probably the 2 best teams in this mock... But i don't like Shane's bench... Not that he doesn't have great players, he does... but he has not much defense on his bench... IMO, defense and FT% are the 2 most important for the bench... Both have great FT% except for the centers, but Shane has limited defense...

 

[Pack 500]

I think 500 has put the 2 best teams with Magic at PG ever... I'm not happy about it... I got 500

You remember the other one?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Besides me, has anyone else ever recorded their own farts??

Its fun, except once it was super wet, and i shat a little on my phone...

 

[CitySushi]

Besides me, has anyone else ever recorded their own farts??

Its fun, except once it was super wet, and i shat a little on my phone...

 

[UK Cowboy]

I agree with a lot of you said, but take exception with Kidd. Maybe I'm championing him too much, but Kidd was a legit 6'5" 215lb at the PG position. He would be giving up about 4 inches in height, but Kidd was a really strong and really great defender. Magic could have posted him, but it wouldn't have been a cake walk and Kidd would have held his own about as well as any guard could be expected to.

Kidd also started out as a bad shooter but he turned out to be a great 3 point shooter late in his career. He ended his career with nearly a 35% 3 point percentage, topping out at 46% one year in Dallas. He's also 5th on the all-time list of 3 pointers made in NBA history.

Kidd is actually a really fantastic fit next to Jordan and especially in the pick and roll with Malone. Jordan would run one side of the triangle with Kidd being able to stretch the court and play a secondary pick and roll with Malone. Those 3 would be so dynamic offensively.

Here's the thing about Kidd, and I'm a Mavs fan, saw every game he played in Dallas...you are right, he was a good shooter at the end, but no where near the all around player he was when he was younger, and the thing is, you can't have him both ways, when he was great, he couldn't shoot a lick

 

[Shanemansj13]

I knew I should have traded AI for a PG. That was my only fault IMO