Best/Worst schools utilizing talent on roster

[DeafOranguntan]

That's only for 2019. The article 247 did, last week. Showed a 4 year span. I think UO, made the Top 10??

But Bama and OSU ruled, with Clemson, LSU and OU following. If I remember right, OU and LSU, tied

How does that work?

Recruiting Rankings (Using 247 rankings)

2016 : Bama - #1 OSU - #4 Clemson - #11
2017 : Bama -#1 OSU - #2 Clemson - #16
2018 : Bama - #5 OSU - #2 Clemson - #7
2019 : Bama - #1 OSU - #14 Clemson - #10

End of Season Rankings

2016 : Bama - #2 OSU - #6 Clemson - #1
2017 : Bama -#1 OSU - #5 Clemson - #4
2018 : Bama - #2 OSU - #3 Clemson - #1
2019 : Bama - #8 OSU - #3 Clemson - #2

So, in the last four years, Bama has averaged the #2 recruiting class and had the #3.25 average final ranking (one title) (52-5 total record). Ohio State averaged the #5.5 recruiting class and had the #4.25 final ranking (no title) (49-6 total record). Clemson averaged the #11 recruiting class but the #2 average final ranking (two titles) (55-4 total record).

There's literally no metric from which you can say Bama and Ohio State were better at utilizing talent than Clemson. In fact, you can say both Alabama and Ohio State are bad at utilizing talent, although they win, they regularly underperform their recruiting rankings.

 

[Thiefery]

Yeah it's remarkable how Dabo and Co have been able to not just evaluate but keep it's players with them for 4/5 seasons. attrition rate is really low.

 

[Deep Creek]

n fact, you can say both Alabama and Ohio State are bad at utilizing talent, as they regularly underperform their recruiting rankings.

 

[WhoWasBert]

Not surprised those are the top 3. USC and Texas should be dominating CFB with the amount of talent they have in their states

 

[Thiefery]

Not surprised those are the top 3. USC and Texas should be dominating CFB with the amount of talent they have in their states

Don't forget FL schools

 

[Gohogs14]

How on earth is the aggys on there? They have had some bad classes? They too got bit by the Texas RB 2016 class when they took Whaley

According to 247 Arkansas had the 26th most talent in the country on last year's roster. So nearly the talent of a top 25 team yet three out of the last four years we have gone 4-8, 2-10 and 2-10. That's pretty big-time underachieving.

We also haven't done too badly with players drafted in the last 5 seasons:

18- Wisconsin
18- USC
18- Stanford
17- Iowa
17- TCU
15- Arkansas
15- Florida St.
15- West Virginia

25th in the country overall. Yet we're easily the team with the worst record among those.

 

[Deep Creek]

According to 247 Arkansas had the 26th most talent in the country on last year's roster. So nearly the talent of a top 25 team yet three out of the last four years we have gone 4-8, 2-10 and 2-10. That's pretty big-time underachieving.

We also haven't done too badly with players drafted in the last 5 seasons:

18- Wisconsin
18- USC
18- Stanford
17- Iowa
17- TCU
15- Arkansas
15- Florida St.
15- West Virginia

25th in the country overall. Yet we're easily the team with the worst record among those.

Wow! One could make the case that every one of those teams underachieved with the exception of Iowa and Wisconsin. USC, Stanford, TCU and West Virginia may not have been as bad as Arkie and FSU, but having that many drafted and not producing any better than that...............

 

[Thiefery]

According to 247 Arkansas had the 26th most talent in the country on last year's roster. So nearly the talent of a top 25 team yet three out of the last four years we have gone 4-8, 2-10 and 2-10. That's pretty big-time underachieving.

We also haven't done too badly with players drafted in the last 5 seasons:

18- Wisconsin
18- USC
18- Stanford
17- Iowa
17- TCU
15- Arkansas
15- Florida St.
15- West Virginia

25th in the country overall. Yet we're easily the team with the worst record among those.

Skill position players skew the overall score, especially in the state of TX. Bet they took some really low OL/DL players while having a few 4 star WRs/DBs. Also the QBs they have aren't really good to begin with

 

[OregonDucks]

Texas

I'd say USC, but isn't USC still under sanctions and they always seem to lack depth and no big time recruits really go therea anymore.

 

[Thiefery]

Texas

I'd say USC, but isn't USC still under sanctions and they always seem to lack depth and no big time recruits really go therea anymore.

We were under the guidance of Steve Patter$on.. it would have been better if we were sanctioned instead

 

[Codaxx]

Texas

I'd say USC, but isn't USC still under sanctions and they always seem to lack depth and no big time recruits really go therea anymore.

I actually looked at star rankings and the predicted amount of draft picks. schools that finished below the expectations were Tenn, Texas, Neb, FSU, Texas A&M , and Oregon. USC was basically dead on. All of them have had coaching changes. Wisconsin was far and away the leader. Teams like LSU and Georgia finished around expectations. People tend to confuse talent accumulation with developing talent

 

[Gohogs14]

Skill position players skew the overall score, especially in the state of TX. Bet they took some really low OL/DL players while having a few 4 star WRs/DBs. Also the QBs they have aren't really good to begin with

Yeah most of the 4-stars are skill positions. Morris actually did a pretty good job recruiting at least in the 2019 class, just couldn't coach for anything. Some of them have already transferred though marked in red.

2019: WR Treylon Burks, TE Hudson Henry, WR Trey Knox, CB Devin Bush, S Jalen Catalon, DE Collin Clay, DE Mataio Soli, QB KJ Jefferson, CB Greg Brooks, WR TQ Jackson, WR Shamar Nash

2018 (coaching transition class): LB Bumper Pool, QB Connor Noland (left football team to focus on baseball full-time)

2017: CB Chevin Calloway, S Montaric Brown, WR Brandon Martin (kicked off team IIRC), TE Jeremy Patton

2016: DE McTelvin Agim, RB Devwah Whaley, DT/OL Austin Capps, RB TJ Hammonds, DT Briston Guidry (retired), OL Jake Heinrich (retired)

Just one OL on the entire list (Capps was signed as a DL but moved to OL). Hopefully Pittman can do something about that going forward lol. The attrition doesn't help either.

 

[Thiefery]

Yeah most of the 4-stars are skill positions. Morris actually did a pretty good job recruiting at least in the 2019 class, just couldn't coach for anything. Some of them have already transferred though marked in red.

2019: WR Treylon Burks, TE Hudson Henry, WR Trey Knox, CB Devin Bush, S Jalen Catalon, DE Collin Clay, DE Mataio Soli, QB KJ Jefferson, CB Greg Brooks, WR TQ Jackson, WR Shamar Nash

2018 (coaching transition class): LB Bumper Pool, QB Connor Noland (left football team to focus on baseball full-time)

2017: CB Chevin Calloway, S Montaric Brown, WR Brandon Martin (kicked off team IIRC), TE Jeremy Patton

2016: DE McTelvin Agim, RB Devwah Whaley, DT/OL Austin Capps, RB TJ Hammonds, DT Briston Guidry (retired), OL Jake Heinrich (retired)

Just one OL on the entire list (Capps was signed as a DL but moved to OL). Hopefully Pittman can do something about that going forward lol. The attrition doesn't help either.

I really liked Catalon, if he puts football over baseball.

 

[Gohogs14]

I really liked Catalon, if he puts football over baseball.

Yeah he's not playing baseball here. Morris wasted 3 of his 4 games last year by playing him on kneel-downs for 1-2 snaps. I'll never understand how you can be a D1 head coach and do something like that. Would have been pissed if he had played in more than 4 games and he couldn't take a redshirt over playing 3 pointless snaps per game in blowouts. Odom is going to run a 3-2-6 a lot it sounds like and Catalon will probably be the middle safety.

 

[Thiefery]

Yeah he's not playing baseball here. Morris wasted 3 of his 4 games last year by playing him on kneel-downs for 1-2 snaps. I'll never understand how you can be a D1 head coach and do something like that. Would have been pissed if he had played in more than 4 games and he couldn't take a redshirt over playing 3 pointless snaps per game in blowouts. Odom is going to run a 3-2-6 a lot it sounds like and Catalon will probably be the middle safety.

Morris was a bad choice as a hire. He didn't turn around SMU, he was a hotshot OC at Clemson but he didn't have the success at SMU that would warrant a job offer by a school like Arkansas. Him offering siblings of recruits who were still in elementary school was cringe-worthy and reeks of desperation. He used his tight relationship with Jerry Jones to get the Arkansas job, and thankfully Jerry knew he wasn't the answer.
My quarrel with him was the way he would anti-recruit certain schools and use his religious background to make it seem like he was holier than thou.

 

[Angry red]

10 whole wins?

Its Texas, with built in in state advantages and endless supplies of money. Whooptitty freggin doo.

10 wins gets you on the hotseat at Alabama and Ohio State, the expectation level Texas SHOULD be every single year.

Heck Texas has a tough time beating lil ol WVU that should NEVER be the case.

You forgot Maryland and Kansas.

 

[Angry red]

Yeah it's remarkable how Dabo and Co have been able to not just evaluate but keep it's players with them for 4/5 seasons. attrition rate is really low.

Continue along that line of thought. Why is Clemson so much much better than South Carolina?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Texas

I'd say USC, but isn't USC still under sanctions and they always seem to lack depth and no big time recruits really go therea anymore.

What sanctions is USC under?

 

[8085sooner]

How does that work?

Recruiting Rankings (Using 247 rankings)

2016 : Bama - #1 OSU - #4 Clemson - #11
2017 : Bama -#1 OSU - #2 Clemson - #16
2018 : Bama - #5 OSU - #2 Clemson - #7
2019 : Bama - #1 OSU - #14 Clemson - #10

End of Season Rankings

2016 : Bama - #2 OSU - #6 Clemson - #1
2017 : Bama -#1 OSU - #5 Clemson - #4
2018 : Bama - #2 OSU - #3 Clemson - #1
2019 : Bama - #8 OSU - #3 Clemson - #2

So, in the last four years, Bama has averaged the #2 recruiting class and had the #3.25 average final ranking (one title) (52-5 total record). Ohio State averaged the #5.5 recruiting class and had the #4.25 final ranking (no title) (49-6 total record). Clemson averaged the #11 recruiting class but the #2 average final ranking (two titles) (55-4 total record).

There's literally no metric from which you can say Bama and Ohio State were better at utilizing talent than Clemson. In fact, you can say both Alabama and Ohio State are bad at utilizing talent, although they win, they regularly underperform their recruiting rankings.

247 did a article about, 4 and 5 star talent and getting them into the NFL.

Bama and OSU were tops with Clemson in 3rd and OU and LSU tied, 4th.

 

[Thiefery]

Continue along that line of thought. Why is Clemson so much much better than South Carolina?

South Carolina just hasn't found the right coach I suppose. I like Muschamp but it just feels like this season will be his last if he doesn't win the SEC East. He had a lot of his staff leave for other jobs this past winter. Clemson has Dabo and the Church of Tigers doing some miracle work on the field and with recruiting.