Mack Brown back to North Carolina.

[gobigred]

So if Mack turns around North Carolina, how long till he bolts for Texas again ?

 

[Kaplony]

1) MACK is an exceptional CEO, fundraiser, and recruiter, possibly one of the best in history at that part.

He does not lose that skill with age He faked the old man folksy "aw shucks" charisma even when he was 40 years old.
Getting older might help him even more since his whole schtick was being a loveable grandpa from the heartland.
Boosters will love that act. And recruits will as well.

Mack's biggest problem is going to be he's coming into a completely different situation in Chapel Hill than he faced the last time.

When Mack had his success at UNC the first go round he was dealing an entirely different landscape than what he's facing now.

Clemson was lead by Ken Hatfield and Tommy West and neither put a priority on recruiting. Now Clemson recruits at an elite level.

Tennessee was dealing with the transition from Majors to Fulmer. Tennessee has a staff that understands recruiting.

South Carolina was led by Sparky Woods and then Brad Scott, who turned his focus more towards his familiar Florida recruiting ties and away from NC. South Carolina has redirected it's attention more towards NC since, first under Spurrier and continued under Muschamp.

Totally different situation now, and unlike Texas he'll be trying to recruit to a school that isn't the first option of many elite NC football players.

 

[Hitman Hart]

Mack's biggest problem is going to be he's coming into a completely different situation in Chapel Hill than he faced the last time.

When Mack had his success at UNC the first go round he was dealing an entirely different landscape than what he's facing now.

Clemson was lead by Ken Hatfield and Tommy West and neither put a priority on recruiting. Now Clemson recruits at an elite level.

Tennessee was dealing with the transition from Majors to Fulmer. Tennessee has a staff that understands recruiting.

South Carolina was led by Sparky Woods and then Brad Scott, who turned his focus more towards his familiar Florida recruiting ties and away from NC. South Carolina has redirected it's attention more towards NC since, first under Spurrier and continued under Muschamp.

Totally different situation now, and unlike Texas he'll be trying to recruit to a school that isn't the first option of many elite NC football players.

Clemson, South Carolina and Tennessee aren't all that active in NC right now.

During the past two recruiting cycles, Clemson has picked up two elite guys from NC (looking like Couch this year and Henry last year)

Wake (2) has as many commitments from top 20 NC players this year as South Carolina and Tennessee do collectively (1 each)

South Carolina had 2 commitments from top 20 NC players in '18, Tennessee didn't have any but UT also had a coaching change. As I noted above, UT either flopped in NC this year or didn't try

NC State and Virginia Tech have made the most of the top players from NC the past two cycles

i'm not sure about the Brown hire, but I think beating State and VT for recruits is definitely manageable

 

[amszete]

I think he is a good hire to get the program to mid tier / respectable level in the Coastal. I don't see them competing year in and year out for ACC Championships.

 

[uncfan103]

Mack's biggest problem is going to be he's coming into a completely different situation in Chapel Hill than he faced the last time.

When Mack had his success at UNC the first go round he was dealing an entirely different landscape than what he's facing now.

Clemson was lead by Ken Hatfield and Tommy West and neither put a priority on recruiting. Now Clemson recruits at an elite level.

Tennessee was dealing with the transition from Majors to Fulmer. Tennessee has a staff that understands recruiting.

South Carolina was led by Sparky Woods and then Brad Scott, who turned his focus more towards his familiar Florida recruiting ties and away from NC. South Carolina has redirected it's attention more towards NC since, first under Spurrier and continued under Muschamp.

Totally different situation now, and unlike Texas he'll be trying to recruit to a school that isn't the first option of many elite NC football players.

Do you have any idea how poorly UNC is recruiting right now? UNC moved on from Fedora because he's not bringing in talent, especially talent from the state of NC. UNC is being outrecruited by NC State, Wake and Duke. (ECU has the 68th best class in the country, UNC has the 68th) If Mack can come in and get players to come here instead of those schools it'll be a huge improvement. We're always going to lose recruits that want to play in front of a packed stadium to UGA, Clemson and South Carolina. We shouldn't be outrecruited by Wake, Duke and ECU. And the plan is for Mack to build the talent level up. That's something Butch Davis and Larry Fedora has shown is possible.

 

[uncfan103]

I think he is a good hire to get the program to mid tier / respectable level in the Coastal. I don't see them competing year in and year out for ACC Championships.

Bingo. And if he gets them respectable in the Coastal it improves recruiting and gives us the opportunity to hire a coach that can build on that. Right now there's no long term option out there, so I believe Mack Brown for a short term is legitimately the best option for the long run.

 

[amszete]

Bingo. And if he gets them respectable in the Coastal it improves recruiting and gives us the opportunity to hire a coach that can build on that. Right now there's no long term option out there, so I believe Mack Brown for a short term is legitimately the best option for the long run.

I would agree, if he also found ECU-level OCs (circa 2013) then that would really be the icing on their cake. I am HOPING that to stay ahead of the curve, we drop our OC and try and snag a good up and coming OC at VT. Otherwise, we may be settling ourselves back more than some of the other Coastal teams.

 

[Kaplony]

Clemson, South Carolina and Tennessee aren't all that active in NC right now.

During the past two recruiting cycles, Clemson has picked up two elite guys from NC (looking like Couch this year and Henry last year)

Wake (2) has as many commitments from top 20 NC players this year as South Carolina and Tennessee do collectively (1 each)

South Carolina had 2 commitments from top 20 NC players in '18, Tennessee didn't have any but UT also had a coaching change. As I noted above, UT either flopped in NC this year or didn't try

NC State and Virginia Tech have made the most of the top players from NC the past two cycles

i'm not sure about the Brown hire, but I think beating State and VT for recruits is definitely manageable

The thing is Clemson gets who they want the vast majority of the time. We wanted KJ Henry, we got him. We wanted Justin Foster, we got him. We wanted Dexter Lawrence, we got him. The NC talent pool isn't as top heavy this year as years past, but it might be deeper.

 

[Hitman Hart]

The thing is Clemson gets who they want the vast majority of the time. We wanted KJ Henry, we got him. We wanted Justin Foster, we got him. We wanted Dexter Lawrence, we got him. The NC talent pool isn't as top heavy this year as years past, but it might be deeper.

yeah, but the past two cycles says that Clemson doesn't want a lot of the talent in NC

that would work in UNC's favor

 

[Kaplony]

yeah, but the past two cycles says that Clemson doesn't want a lot of the talent in NC

that would work in UNC's favor

Thing is....we might not be looking for talent there this year but we are still hitting the NC high schools on a regular basis for when there is talent there worth looking for. Dabo & company ain't stupid. Sadly neither is Muschamp & Co in Columbia. South Carolina saw what happens when you neglect recruiting in the tail end of the Spurrier years. They aren't about to repeat that mistake.

 

[Hitman Hart]

Thing is....we might not be looking for talent there this year but we are still hitting the NC high schools on a regular basis for when there is talent there worth looking for. Dabo & company ain't stupid. Sadly neither is Muschamp & Co in Columbia. South Carolina saw what happens when you neglect recruiting in the tail end of the Spurrier years. They aren't about to repeat that mistake.

they aren't, but you only have so many scholarships. Clemson has done a great job of establishing recruiting relationships in their home state, FL, GA and NC

if Muschamp's goal was to dominate recruiting in SC/NC, while Dabo picks apart GA and FL, his plan has failed b/c he hasn't done too hot in NC

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

Listening to Mack Brown talk I never understood how the guy managed to be so good as a head coach he seemed clueless

In the coaches room during the Va Tech/FSU game this year the other coaches had to actually explain everything about how no huddle offenses work

He may have the pull to bring in some good assistants, and really that is the only hope

With the market of jobs available this year North Carolina really could have done so much better

 

[Phantom]

I'm just glad he getting off our payroll. I love the fact that he was called "Mr. February." The fact is, he only had one (2002) great recruiting class. He had some good ones, but those certainly didn't earn him that name. Towards the end, he couldn't even spell 5 star.

 

[OregonDucks]

We are talking about a UNC football hire decision.

North Carolina won the day.

 

[Deep Creek]

Makes perfect since. He was, to my opinion, the best football coach in the school's modern history. Why not bring him back? They don't really need to win 10 games a season, he can get them at least to 7-5 with some bowl appearances.

Yeah, yeah, I can hear all the "game passed him by" comments. Again, it's North Carolina. Who else wants to come there to coach football? This is a solid hire for that program.

I ain't a Mack fan but you may very well be right. Last year the popular thinking was "The game has passed Herm Edwards by" wasn't it?

 

[Deep Creek]

Kingsbury will be an NFL OC next season, no way he follows mack to a basketball school. I'd expect Mack to bring in Greg Davis, get the band back together.

That is the scuttlebutt in Lubbock.

 

[DeafOranguntan]

Clemson, South Carolina and Tennessee aren't all that active in NC right now.

During the past two recruiting cycles, Clemson has picked up two elite guys from NC (looking like Couch this year and Henry last year)

Wake (2) has as many commitments from top 20 NC players this year as South Carolina and Tennessee do collectively (1 each)

South Carolina had 2 commitments from top 20 NC players in '18, Tennessee didn't have any but UT also had a coaching change. As I noted above, UT either flopped in NC this year or didn't try

NC State and Virginia Tech have made the most of the top players from NC the past two cycles

i'm not sure about the Brown hire, but I think beating State and VT for recruits is definitely manageable

You're right that SC and Clemson do not recruit extremely hard in North Carolina compared to Florida, Georgia, and SC. But that's because North Carolina isn't that talented of a football state. As far as high school players that wind up in the NFL, NC typically is about 13th, lagging behind pretty much all of the South except Mississippi (which is much better when controlled for population). That's why SC has traditionally dominated the Shrine Bowl despite being half of NC's size, and why SC high schools traditionally beat up on NC high schools.

NC typically only has 1 or 2 players in the top 100 recruiting rankings. For example, this year it's Quavaris Crouch. If Clemson or Georgia comes a-calling, it's tough for these top recruits to turn them down. After all, if you have NFL aspirations, don't you want to go to the places with the best developing coaches, the best facilities, and the chance to play on the biggest stages? And so UNC likely will not be able to sign many of the best players in North Carolina. As you said, they'll be competing with NC State, who has been better than UNC the past couple of years (and don't get me wrong, I despise NC State, their fans are the absolute worst), Virginia Tech, and UVA, who's on the rise, for a fairly small talent pool. I just don't see how UNC will rise to national prominence, especially since basketball will always be the primary sport for the school.

 

[pitman]

I didn’t see this coming, I believe he will make a impact in a good way

 

[DJ]

He's not great but I think he can still coach for 4-5 years.....then retire altogether.

 

[DJ]

When did they fire their HC? Missed that.