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I'll just say as a resident of the Bay Area and a Kentucky fan, this made me really happy.
I've always said if there was a guy who went to UK on the Warriors, I'd be a lot more interested in them.
I'm just not into the NBA.
Well, now I'll probably go to a game.
Of course, since they've gone from the joke team of the Bay Area to a seemingly unstoppable force, it'll probably be tough to get tickets. LOL

Hey cali :yo:
 
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Did NGS shut down? Haven't been over there in a long time.

Nope, it's still around, although it's down, at the moment ... some glitch.
It should get fixed pretty quickly once DL finds out about it, though.

I still post over there on MKTF. AFR, which Fog moved off the site, has, well, let's just say more and more of those folks are starting to spend more and more of their time over here.
 

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Nope, it's still around, although it's down, at the moment ... some glitch.
It should get fixed pretty quickly once DL finds out about it, though.

I still post over there on MKTF. AFR, which Fog moved off the site, has, well, let's just say more and more of those folks are starting to spend more and more of their time over here.

Glad it's still up. Gonna have to visit over there again one of these days soon.
 
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Glad it's still up. Gonna have to visit over there again one of these days soon.

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I really have nothing intelligent to add to a discussion about the NBA, I just saw the title of the thread, and I smiled the way I did when I initially heard the news, so I stopped in.

Thanks for sayin' hi ... I'm glad to see you.
 

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That's a big difference. Using assets is completely different than 3 friends teaming together. The Warriors were a super team before KD, only because of the assets through the draft(and one bigger FA signing in Iggy)

So who/what did Boston trade away to land KG and Ray Allen, again? I can tell you that I definitely remember the Timberwolves getting taken to the cleaners in that KG trade, and everyone knew it from day 1. I'm not totally sure about the Ray Allen trade, but at least for the KG one, Boston's reward clearly outweighed the risk of what they traded to get him, and there was never any question about that. In the end, there's no quantifiable difference between signing free agents and trading away what amount to several bums no one remembers 3 years after the trade, especially when the trade was immediately considered heavily in their favor as soon as it went down.

Also, the Heat traded for Bosh. LeBron was the only player in his prime that they brought in as a free agent signing to form that super team. Lastly, none of those Heat teams, or Cleveland teams that LeBron built after leaving Miami, were anywhere near as stacked as the Warriors are currently. I'm not even a LeBron fan and was critical of the Miami move when it happened, but comparing that to what the Warriors are doing these days is ridiculous.
 
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So who/what did Boston trade away to land KG and Ray Allen, again? I can tell you that I definitely remember the Timberwolves getting taken to the cleaners in that KG trade, and everyone knew it from day 1. I'm not totally sure about the Ray Allen trade, but at least for the KG one, Boston's reward clearly outweighed the risk of what they traded to get him, and there was never any question about that. In the end, there's no quantifiable difference between signing free agents and trading away what amount to several bums no one remembers 3 years after the trade, especially when the trade was immediately considered heavily in their favor as soon as it went down.

Also, the Heat traded for Bosh. LeBron was the only player in his prime that they brought in as a free agent signing to form that super team. Lastly, none of those Heat teams, or Cleveland teams that LeBron built after leaving Miami, were anywhere near as stacked as the Warriors are currently. I'm not even a LeBron fan and was critical of the Miami move when it happened, but comparing that to what the Warriors are doing these days is ridiculous.

Boston traded KG for Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Their Ratliff and two future 1st round picks who ended up being Wayne Ellington and Jonny Flynn. It should be noted Steph and DeRozan we're taken right after Flynn. Jefferson average 20/10 in Minnesota before they traded him away for what ended up being nothing. Green had potential but ovbioobvi didn't figure it out until later in his career.

Boston traded Ray Allen for Jeff Green, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and a 2008 2nd rounder. The key piece being Green who had just been selected 5th overall in the draft.

That's comparable compensation IMO. The Sonic's/OKC were set up for long term future success. The Timberwolves could have been if they didnt Timberwolve it.

Technically you're correct in that the Heat "traded" for LeBron and Bosh. But the decision was held on July 8, 2010 and then they were both "traded" to the Heat. The Raptors received two future 1st rounders and the Cavs received two 1st rounders(2013, 2016) and two 2nd rounders. No players were involved.

Also I only said the Warriors built their super team mostly through draft and trades. I mean they won 73 games before Durant got there.

Miami is the original super team IMO, not Boston and was constructed mostly through free agency. I mean seriously look at the roster. That was my point. Also the Warriors were fortunate Steph was a on a team friendly deal, along with the huge jump in salary cap, to even make signing Durant a possibilty. So there was some luck involved, but they built this through the draft. Miami most certainly did not.
 

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Harden is clearly the better SG. He’s and MVP for a reason

That being said there would be lots of instances I would take Klay over Harden given certain roster constructs. For example if you swapped Harden for Klay right now, both teams are worse.

If you have teams around the league a choice between Harden and Klay right now there are lots of teams who would opt for Klay. But overall, Harden is better.
Yea I agree with your reasoning - and I have Klay better than Harden in my book because Klay is good on both ends of the court whereas Harden couldn't careless about defending.
 

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Kobe definitely has the edge but he’s not active, that’s what I meant there. Obviously joking tho.

Maybe that was your original post, which I still disagree with. But if you see my original post it’s simply the fact Klay isn’t the best SG. I don’t even like Harden, I just don’t think Klay is as good as some think(still very good). Harden was just one example and it seems most would agree, unless they don’t count him as a SG anymore.
So we were arguing for nothing??? :gaah:
 

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Baloney.

That's an apples vs. oranges argument ....ergo: 2 totally different types of offensive game strategies and team philosophies separating the world champ Dubs from the 2nd runner up Rockettes....as well as pretty much from the rest of the entire league.
Yea, I mean I agree with his reasoning on why most would pick Klay - but I just don't agree that it's CLEAR Harden is better.
 

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Rip on LeBron for the super team stuff all you want, but are we seriously going to pretend that the super team stuff started with him and the Heat? What about when the Celtics traded for both Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to team them up for a super team with Paul Pierce with all three of them in their primes back in 2007? Does that just not count, or what?

This has been responded to multiple times. Lebron/Wade/Bosh colluded during the Olympics to join the same team to chase championships. Starting the trend of superstars working together to remove competition. Celtics spent years acquiring assets and then cashed them in for players still under contract.
 

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So who/what did Boston trade away to land KG and Ray Allen, again? I can tell you that I definitely remember the Timberwolves getting taken to the cleaners in that KG trade, and everyone knew it from day 1. I'm not totally sure about the Ray Allen trade, but at least for the KG one, Boston's reward clearly outweighed the risk of what they traded to get him, and there was never any question about that. In the end, there's no quantifiable difference between signing free agents and trading away what amount to several bums no one remembers 3 years after the trade, especially when the trade was immediately considered heavily in their favor as soon as it went down.

Also, the Heat traded for Bosh. LeBron was the only player in his prime that they brought in as a free agent signing to form that super team. Lastly, none of those Heat teams, or Cleveland teams that LeBron built after leaving Miami, were anywhere near as stacked as the Warriors are currently. I'm not even a LeBron fan and was critical of the Miami move when it happened, but comparing that to what the Warriors are doing these days is ridiculous.
lol well for the record Miami got LBJ in a sign & trade.
And comparing the heatles teaming up to the Warriors teaming up isn't ridiculous. It's CHECKMATE.
 

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New logos for the upcoming season...

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Cousins was surprised he didn’t get any offers well maybe you shouldn’t have declined a 2 yr $40M offer from the Pelicans. After that offer was made and Cousins declined it the Pelicans took that offer off the table. Cousins plan from the start was to ride the W’s while injured to get a ring, his plan worked out lolzz
 

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This has been responded to multiple times. Lebron/Wade/Bosh colluded during the Olympics to join the same team to chase championships. Starting the trend of superstars working together to remove competition. Celtics spent years acquiring assets and then cashed them in for players still under contract.

And the Warriors drafted 3 studs and won a ring and attracted another stud to their already winning team. So not like those others.
 
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And the Warriors drafted 3 studs and won a ring and attracted another stud to their already winning team. So not like those others.
And for decades, everyone wanted to play for the Lakers, so in the event off 2 similar contract offers, the Lakers won out. Now, everyone is making generational money in a single year, so the $$ is like 4th or 5th on the list of deciding factors. Playing for winner, with friends, in a nice area, and in a good system are all at least comparable to the $$.

The Dubs can offer all of those (including the $$). Why WOULDN’T the stars chose GS right now?
 
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