Charlie Morton, Nothing to see here

[Indrid Cold]

Without making any claims regarding my belief on if these Yankees are juicing or not, I'm not surprised that the Yankees are now kicking ass at developing talent.

The Yankees have more resources than any other team in baseball and it's not even close. They used to buy talent because that's where they had a marked advantage over other teams. As that shifted due to luxury tax and free agency rules changes, they shifted their resources to scouting and development.

They're a monster franchise. They're also a bunch of fags.

That's still a big improvement over having Mel Hall and Chad Curtis on their team!

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

It's actually pretty common for MLB sluggers to dwarf their minors power numbers...

Here are some examples of notable sluggers over the years who weren't prolific HR hitters in the minors:

-Griffey: hit 27 minors HR in 465 ABs
-Bagwell: hit 6 minors HR in 731 ABs
-Pujols: hit 19 minors HR in 490 ABs
-Thome: 52 minors HRs in 1457 ABs
-Trout: 23 minors HR in 1126 ABs

And you could go on and on...



If you want a good example from your Astros currently:
Correa hit 28 total HR in 1128 minors ABs, then hit 22 HR in 387 ABs in his rookie year


Many of the guys who end up hitting 30+ HRs weren't hitting 30+ HRs in the minors

Yup, Stan led the charge in Kicking Cereals' ass in that Judge thread

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Gleyber Torres was not a no. 2 because of his power potential. "It is weird"

Player has sub-par season, returns the following year and has more HR's at the ASB than he had the prior entire season


let me know when we are ready to discuss the PED usage of Mr Mookie Betts

Textbook

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

That's still a big improvement over having Mel Hall and Chad Curtis on their team!

Chad Curtis was notorious for butting heads with teammates in the locker room for turning off rap and different types of "offensive" music in favor of his Christian music

Talk about being one of the worlds biggest hypocrites

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Here are some examples of notable sluggers over the years who weren't prolific HR hitters in the minors:

-Griffey: hit 27 minors HR in 465 ABs
-Bagwell: hit 6 minors HR in 731 ABs
-Pujols: hit 19 minors HR in 490 ABs
-Thome: 52 minors HRs in 1457 ABs
-Trout: 23 minors HR in 1126 ABs

But aren't 3 of those guys confirmed PED-abusers, and Griffey was on Montgomery Burns's Brain and Nerve Tonic?

 

[cerealboi]

Yup, Stan led the charge in Kicking Cereals' ass in that Judge thread

Allow me to pull an Andy Rooney. .

"You ever notice that many of the examples Stan uses were also suspected of steroid use?"

Wasn't Bagwell being on roids a given at one point? Pujols?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

But aren't 3 of those guys confirmed PED-abusers, and Griffey was on Montgomery Burns's Brain and Nerve Tonic?

Only Bagwell to my knowledge, and that wasnt even confirmed, didnt he get in the Hall With Mike Pizza

 

[cerealboi]

Hu beats me to it.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Allow me to pull an Andy Rooney. .

"You ever notice that many of the examples Stan uses were also suspected of steroid use?"

Wasn't Bagwell being on roids a given at one point? Pujols?

Proof?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Allow me to pull an Andy Rooney. .

"You ever notice that many of the examples Stan uses were also suspected of steroid use?"

Wasn't Bagwell being on roids a given at one point? Pujols?

Again, only Bagwell, Ive never heard of Thome, Pujols, trout, Griffey attached to the PED's

Never heard Carlos Correa attached to PED usage

And I get a feeling he could provide about 95 more names if he wanted

 

[cerealboi]

Three years in a row, three different Yankee rookies homering at league leading rates in their first extended dose of major league pitching. Sorry boys, but that doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[Indrid Cold]

It's actually pretty common for MLB sluggers to dwarf their minors power numbers...
Here are some examples of notable sluggers over the years who weren't prolific HR hitters in the minors:
-Griffey: hit 27 minors HR in 465 ABs
-Bagwell: hit 6 minors HR in 731 ABs
-Pujols: hit 19 minors HR in 490 ABs
-Thome: 52 minors HRs in 1457 ABs
-Trout: 23 minors HR in 1126 ABs
And you could go on and on...
If you want a good example from your Astros currently:
Correa hit 28 total HR in 1128 minors ABs, then hit 22 HR in 387 ABs in his rookie year
Many of the guys who end up hitting 30+ HRs weren't hitting 30+ HRs in the minors

The disconnect with those examples is that those guys were all young when they went to the majors...heck, Junior Griffey was only 19 when he was called up. And, since Griffey was brought up, he has the same birthday and birthplace as fellow great LH hitter Stan Musial, so just arrange for your son to be born on 11/21 in Donora PA if you want to have a major league hitter in your family.
Anyway, the strange thing about Judge is that he turned 25 during his breakout season...most top notch ML hitters are getting close to their peaks by then (excluding roiders) and not making the huge jumps in performance that you'd expect from a young guy. Doesn't prove anything, just strange...

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Only Bagwell to my knowledge, and that wasnt even confirmed, didnt he get in the Hall With Mike Pizza

But Piazza is bueno, Bags is el diablo

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Three years in a row, three different Yankee rookies homering at league leading rates in their first extended dose of major league pitching. Sorry boys, but that doesn't pass the smell test.

"Charlie Morton is clean"

"David Ortiz was clean, in spite of the evidence saying otherwise"

Your takes are wonderful

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

But Piazza is bueno, Bags is el diablo

LOL

here lies the difference between you and Cereal

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

LOL

here lies the difference between you and Cereal

Ahhh, I'd still let him marry my ex-girlfriend from college

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

The disconnect with those examples is that those guys were all young when they went to the majors...heck, Junior Griffey was only 19 when he was called up. And, since Griffey was brought up, he has the same birthday and birthplace as fellow great LH hitter Stan Musial, so just arrange for your son to be born on 11/21 in Donora PA if you want to have a major league hitter in your family.
Anyway, the strange thing about Judge is that he turned 25 during his breakout season...most top notch ML hitters are getting close to their peaks by then (excluding roiders) and not making the huge jumps in performance that you'd expect from a young guy. Doesn't prove anything, just strange...

Think you have the outliers backwards

Griffey and Trout types are the exception

Jim Thome hit 612 HR's and didnt have his first big HR season until he was 25

Thats just the first guy i looked at, but I think there are less guys hitting like stars at 19 than at 24 or 25

 

[StanMarsh51]

The disconnect with those examples is that those guys were all young when they went to the majors...heck, Junior Griffey was only 19 when he was called up. And, since Griffey was brought up, he has the same birthday and birthplace as fellow great LH hitter Stan Musial, so just arrange for your son to be born on 11/21 in Donora PA if you want to have a major league hitter in your family.
Anyway, the strange thing about Judge is that he turned 25 during his breakout season...most top notch ML hitters are getting close to their peaks by then (excluding roiders) and not making the huge jumps in performance that you'd expect from a young guy. Doesn't prove anything, just strange...

Difference is that Judge went to college for a few years instead of turning pro earlier (Judge was drafted by the A's out of high school but opted for college). He also missed a year of pro-ball with quad injury, so those two combined explain why he came up to the majors later than you'd expect.

Top guys typically come out of high school so they're in the minors at 17-18. Because Judge went to college, he turned pro at 21 and missed that season with injury so didn't play his first minors game until 22. It's not like he was sucking in the minors, but instead that he started later.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

David Ortiz' first big HR season came at 28 years old

LMAO

 

[cerealboi]

"Charlie Morton is clean"

"David Ortiz was clean, in spite of the evidence saying otherwise"

Your takes are wonderful

See . . . you know you're losing the argument when you start making up other's arguments. Classic strawman. I think Ortiz used. Morton may be using. I just think it's a little odd a Yankee fan would be leading this charge.


Yankees batters should just give a knowing wink to the Astros pitchers and call it a day.