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Game Thread: Michigan @ Indiana | 12:00PM EST | ESPN or ABC or whatever the fuck

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Your humor is stale AF.

So wait, are you saying now that O’Korn isn’t the man? We haven’t found a real QB? BLASPHEMY. How quickly we forget about what he did to...........Purdue. :suds:
 

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At this point. I can’t honestly figure out what the benifit is to playing Okorn. He is terrrible. I just can’t figure out how either guy behind him wouldn’t be better. Even if they were equally as bad, they’d be playing for experience for future years.

I was hoping you were right about O'Korn last week. I just can't see Michigan starting him next week. If they do start him, there is literally no hope at QB next year unless a true freshman blows people away.
 

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Michigan needs to commit to one RB. Enough of this committee garbage. Guys can't get into the flow of the game if they're constantly being rotated in and out. So Higdon basically averaged 9 carries the previous 5 games and had 25 today. Clearly this watershed moment in 2017 Michigan Football
 

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I was hoping you were right about O'Korn last week. I just can't see Michigan starting him next week. If they do start him, there is literally no hope at QB next year unless a true freshman blows people away.
You want harbs to throw a greenhorn into the wolves against PSU?

I can't see them even thinking about that. Now the next week at home vs Rutgers sure. You just can't go on the road and put a kid in that has zero experience and think you have any legit shot of looking like a football team.

Yeah, I know, you all think okorn sucks, but experience counts on the road big time.
 

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You want harbs to throw a greenhorn into the wolves against PSU?

I can't see them even thinking about that. Now the next week at home vs Rutgers sure. You just can't go on the road and put a kid in that has zero experience and think you have any legit shot of looking like a football team.

Yeah, I know, you all think okorn sucks, but experience counts on the road big time.

It depends, are they still playing to win the B10 and getting a possible playoff spot? If so, put in someone who at least has the potential to give you a shot. (It's not going to happen, but at least try to win it while there is still s chance) They can't honestly say that O'Korn can give them a chance next week. I mean, O'Korn was crapping his pants on the road at Indiana today. At least Peters can develop into a better QB the next few years. O'Korn's career is over in 2 months.

Bottom line, if a redshirt freshman's career is ruined because they are thrown into a tough game early, it would be better for Michigan to figure that out now rather than later imo.
 

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It depends, are they still playing to win the B10 and getting a possible playoff spot? If so, put in someone who at least has the potential to give you a shot. (It's not going to happen, but at least try to win it while there is still s chance)

Bottom line, if a redshirt freshman's career is ruined because they are thrown into a tough game early, it would be better for Michigan to figure that out now rather than later imo.
I'm sure history is littered with kids ruined early that otherwise would have been stellar with softer landings and more confidence early.

How can you evaluate or get useful experience for a kid in what would have to be a trimmed down and much easier to defend playbook that will just get killed all night? You literally get absolutely nothing out of that.

In this game I saw a lot of issues with that front line. You would literally be throwing him to the wolves.

You go with the experience next week and then bring in one of your young options against Rutgers and see what you have. It is your best hope for not breaking that young kid before you even see what you have.
 

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I'm sure history is littered with kids ruined early that otherwise would have been stellar with softer landings and more confidence early.

How can you evaluate or get useful experience for a kid in what would have to be a trimmed down and much easier to defend playbook that will just get killed all night? You literally get absolutely nothing out of that.

In this game I saw a lot of issues with that front line. You would literally be throwing him to the wolves.

You go with the experience next week and then bring in one of your young options against Rutgers and see what you have. It is your best hope for not breaking that young kid before you even see what you have.

Good post.

Michigan's offense to me is an exact replica of Florida.

Tons of talent. Zero direction and too mired in coaching crapness.

Will Grier used to be the QB at Florida. Dude struggled to throw for 100 yards a game without getting his head taken off. Rolls on to WVU and is tearing it up like he is the 2nd coming of Major Harris.
 

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I'm sure history is littered with kids ruined early that otherwise would have been stellar with softer landings and more confidence early.

How can you evaluate or get useful experience for a kid in what would have to be a trimmed down and much easier to defend playbook that will just get killed all night? You literally get absolutely nothing out of that.

In this game I saw a lot of issues with that front line. You would literally be throwing him to the wolves.

You go with the experience next week and then bring in one of your young options against Rutgers and see what you have. It is your best hope for not breaking that young kid before you even see what you have.

History is also littered with inexperienced kids who stepped up when thrown into a big game, and rise to the occasion.

Again, if Michigan throws O'Korn out there next week, imo they are conceding the football game/season. He couldn't do jack squat against Indiana but hand the ball off. Next week is just going to be filled with series of handing the ball off to the running backs. At least make it a challenge for the PSU defense. Peters can still hand the ball off and give them some worry that he may throw IMO. So why not give him a shot? I mean he's been in the system for 18 months now.
 

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Michigan has two, highly rated out of HS, 4* QB's on their bench, and another coming next season, and O'Korn is still considered the starter after today's game? Why are they worried about testing them out? At least give the fans some hope about next week.
 

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Michigan has two, highly rated out of HS, 4* QB's on their bench, and another coming next season, and O'Korn is still considered the starter after today's game? Why are they worried about testing them out? At least give the fans some hope about next week.
Because that wreaks of desperation, that's why.

I'll ask again, what is it you expect to get out of throwing a kid on a limited playbook with THAT offensive line against PSU on the road? What is the actual best outcome of doing that?

Because the worst outcome is pretty darned bad. Including getting your future hurt in such a failed experiment.

Sure, kids have risen when thrown to the wolves, but I can't name you any that would parallel this situation. This isn't a backup coming in and saving the day, this is asking your head coach to throw in the towel for that game and the season and send that message to the rest of the team while then expecting them to actually play better for this possible kid of the future. You don't see kids suddenly carrying teams in their first action behind a line as pathetic as that one.

Look at Darnold for example. He came in mid season behind one hell of a decent line with NFL caliber receivers. He tore it up. This year their line is banged up bad and they had a drop in receivers. He looks below average in most of his games behind that.

Throwing out your young QB's behind that line right now would be suicide.
 

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Because that wreaks of desperation, that's why.

I'll ask again, what is it you expect to get out of throwing a kid on a limited playbook with THAT offensive line against PSU on the road? What is the actual best outcome of doing that?

Because the worst outcome is pretty darned bad. Including getting your future hurt in such a failed experiment.

Sure, kids have risen when thrown to the wolves, but I can't name you any that would parallel this situation. This isn't a backup coming in and saving the day, this is asking your head coach to throw in the towel for that game and the season and send that message to the rest of the team while then expecting them to actually play better for this possible kid of the future. You don't see kids suddenly carrying teams in their first action behind a line as pathetic as that one.

Look at Darnold for example. He came in mid season behind one hell of a decent line with NFL caliber receivers. He tore it up. This year their line is banged up bad and they had a drop in receivers. He looks below average in most of his games behind that.

Throwing out your young QB's behind that line right now would be suicide.

Wait, did you watch O'Korn the past two weeks?? So you don't think that Michigan is "throwing in the towel" by starting him against Penn State next week? Can you honestly say that you believe Michigan has a chance to win with the way O'Korn has played so far? The only thing he did well today was hand the ball off to the RB's. Why couldn't either other QB do the same?

The bottom line is, do you go with a bad QB next week, or a QB that was highly rated coming out of high school a few years ago but is inexperienced?

Suicide is knowing you still have a chance to win your conference (especially with your stellar defense) but cut your own throat with a QB that clearly is a big liability. Peters may be a disaster, but at least gives this team a new chance to win. I just can't believe that this team can beat PSU with O'Korn. Their season is officially over (B10 and playoff) if they lose next week.
 

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Wait, did you watch O'Korn the past two weeks?? So you don't think that Michigan is "throwing in the towel" by starting him against Penn State next week? Can you honestly say that you believe Michigan has a chance to win with the way O'Korn has played so far? The only thing he did well today was hand the ball off to the RB's. Why couldn't either other QB do the same?

The bottom line is, do you go with a bad QB next week, or a QB that was highly rated coming out of high school a few years ago but is inexperienced?

Suicide is knowing you still have a chance to win your conference (especially with your stellar defense) but cut your own throat with a QB that clearly is a big liability. Peters may be a disaster, but at least gives this team a new chance to win. I just can't believe that this team can beat PSU with O'Korn. Their season is officially over (B10 and playoff) if they lose next week.
The fact that Harbaugh isn't starting Peters should tell you everything you need to know about what Michigan thinks of him.
 

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The fact that Harbaugh isn't starting Peters should tell you everything you need to know about what Michigan thinks of him.

Well I'm questioning Harbaugh's evaluation skills or development skills if either of our 4* QB's couldn't have thrown for more than 58 yards today in an OT game against Indiana.

It's crazy to me that neither has even taken a snap. Maybe he is protecting Mac's redshirt status but Peters burned his redshirt year last year.
 

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It sure came for the Yankees.

I LOVE Cleveland's pro sports teams. They make Detroit sports look amazing by comparison. Fortunately for Cleveland fans, Lebron returned so they can at least have 1 pro sports championship over the greater part of the past century. :suds:
 

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Hey Indians fans. How does Severino's cock taste?
 
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